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Old 09-07-2022, 04:27 PM
 
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No. it means you reject salvation by grace and trust in your own self-righteousness to save you. Jesus is the author and finisher of the believer's faith.
As I said previously, faith and self-righteousness are not synonymous terms.

Your theology relies on the concept that they are.

Yet there is nothing in the Bible that indicates such.
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Old 09-07-2022, 04:28 PM
 
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Thats talking about the saved, regenerate believer has access to Gods throne of Grace. It has nothing to do with the spiritually dead sinner exercising an act of faith to get themselves saved.
You are mistaken, friend.
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Old 09-07-2022, 05:55 PM
 
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You are mistaken, friend.
Oh No I am not friend.
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Old 09-07-2022, 06:15 PM
 
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Oh No I am not friend.
We will have to agree to disagree then.

My only question to you is, Have you received Jesus Christ of Nazareth as your Lord and Saviour and have you called upon His name?

That is the most important thing.

If your theology makes you think that you don't need to do these things, then you would do well to abandon your theology and take the steps that are necessary for salvation.
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Old 09-07-2022, 06:20 PM
 
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We will have to agree to disagree then.

My only question to you is, Have you received Jesus Christ of Nazareth as your Lord and Saviour and have you called upon His name?

That is the most important thing.

If your theology makes you think that you don't need to do these things, then you would do well to abandon your theology and take the steps that are necessary for salvation.
You know we disagree, you teach salvation by works, I teach salvation by free grace !
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Old 09-07-2022, 06:31 PM
 
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You know we disagree, you teach salvation by works, I teach salvation by free grace !
That is your contention.

I do not teach salvation by works, I teach salvation by grace through faith.

You teach that faith is works so I see how you can make the mistake that you are making in thinking that I am teaching salvation by works; because from your perspective I must be since I teach salvation through faith and if faith be works then you would be right indeed about your contention..

Faith and works are mutually exclusive when it comes to salvation if you will take a careful look at Ephesians 2:8-9.

In John 6:28-29, Jesus is saying, that if you are going to insist on being saved by works, the only "work" that will save you is faith in Him.

He is not there saying that faith is a work. He is merely conceding the point to those who are adamant and then reinforcing the doctrine that salvation is by faith alone.
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Old 09-07-2022, 06:43 PM
 
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That is your contention.

I do not teach salvation by works, I teach salvation by grace through faith.

You teach that faith is works so I see how you can make the mistake that you are making in thinking that I am teaching salvation by works; because from your perspective I must be since I teach salvation through faith and if faith be works then you would be right indeed about your contention..

Faith and works are mutually exclusive when it comes to salvation if you will take a careful look at Ephesians 2:8-9.

In John 6:28-29, Jesus is saying, that if you are going to insist on being saved by works, the only "work" that will save you is faith in Him.

He is not there saying that faith is a work. He is merely conceding the point to those who are adamant and then reinforcing the doctrine that salvation is by faith alone.
My friend, whenever you make salvation, actual salvation conditioned on man, its salvation by works !
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Old 09-07-2022, 07:56 PM
 
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My friend, whenever you make salvation, actual salvation conditioned on man, its salvation by works !
Nope.

Salvation is dependent on the faith of man (Romans 5:2).

And faith and works are mutually exclusive when it comes to salvation according to Ephesians 2:8-9.
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Old 09-08-2022, 11:45 AM
 
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Nope.

Salvation is dependent on the faith of man (Romans 5:2).

And faith and works are mutually exclusive when it comes to salvation according to Ephesians 2:8-9.
There you go, you condition your salvation on the faith of man, thats works.

Eph 2:8-9 isnt speaking of mans faith, Paul says its not of ourselves, but the gift of God. So you promote salvation by the work, the merit of man !
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Old 09-08-2022, 02:27 PM
 
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There you go, you condition your salvation on the faith of man, thats works.

Eph 2:8-9 isnt speaking of mans faith, Paul says its not of ourselves, but the gift of God. So you promote salvation by the work, the merit of man !
Ephesians 2:8-9 does not specify as not being man's faith.

It should be clear that faith and works are mutually exclusive according to that passage.

The faith is indeed not of ourselves; however the faith does belong to us. We are the ones who exercise it (2 Corinthians 5:7).
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