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Old 01-27-2022, 01:55 PM
 
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Scriptures that set forth election unto salvation:

Jn 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

2 Thess 2:13

But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Election is the blessed reality that God the Father, before the foundation of the world, from the very beginning, chose a specific number of depraved sinners out of Adam's sinful lineage and obligated all of their salvation on their surety, His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. Eph 1:3-4

Blessed the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Nothing in the sinner, real or foreseen, nothing outside of God Himself, motivated or persuaded God's choice of sinners unto salvation. God justifies the ungodly, and all whom God elected unto salvation are and were, before being born again and conversion, ungodly and by nature children of wrath as other, deserving nothing but Gods wrath ! Eph 2:1-3

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
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Old 01-27-2022, 06:35 PM
 
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Scriptures that set forth election unto salvation:

Jn 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

2 Thess 2:13

But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Election is the blessed reality that God the Father, before the foundation of the world, from the very beginning, chose a specific number of depraved sinners out of Adam's sinful lineage and obligated all of their salvation on their surety, His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. Eph 1:3-4

Blessed the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Nothing in the sinner, real or foreseen, nothing outside of God Himself, motivated or persuaded God's choice of sinners unto salvation. God justifies the ungodly, and all whom God elected unto salvation are and were, before being born again and conversion, ungodly and by nature children of wrath as other, deserving nothing but Gods wrath ! Eph 2:1-3

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eerything you quote from Nt was written to non Jewish Israelis and Gemtiles that joined Jews in Messianic Judaism.


You quote scripture as if it was written to pagans and every member of every religion.
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Old 01-28-2022, 02:14 PM
 
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What is the doctrine of divine election unto salvation? It is that Biblical truth that God, in sovereign mercy, before the world began and without any consideration of the actions of any man, decreed a specific number of people to be the objects of His great salvation in Christ Jesus. “...And as many as were ordained unto eternal life believed” (Acts 13:48). These would be reconciled, redeemed, justified, sanctified and gloried to “the praise of the glory of His grace” (Ephesians 1:3-6). “For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom Iwill have compassion” (Romans 9:15). It is obvious from the language of Scripture that God has an elect or chosen people. “Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth” (Romans 8:33). “...Ye are a chosen generation” (1 Peter 2:9). “God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation” (2 Thessalonians 2:13). If the Holy Spirit ever shows a man his sinfulness and what abundant mercy God has showered upon him in choosing him to be an object of saving grace, such a sight will have definite effects Authored by Jim Byrd
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Old 01-28-2022, 02:16 PM
 
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Eerything you quote from Nt was written to non Jewish Israelis and Gemtiles that joined Jews in Messianic Judaism.


You quote scripture as if it was written to pagans and every member of every religion.
Scripture is written to Gods Spiritual People Chosen in Christ before the foundation. Has nothing to do with etnicity.
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Old 01-29-2022, 11:48 AM
 
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Scripture is written to God's Spiritual People Chosen in Christ before the foundation. Has nothing to do with ethnicity.
That would be ALL of us. But, there definitely IS a group of us who were chosen recipients of God's inspired scripture and from among whom we would receive the designated Savior (Jesus) and true bearer of God's spiritual message as the Word of God.
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Old 01-30-2022, 08:42 AM
 
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That would be ALL of us. But, there definitely IS a group of us who were chosen recipients of God's inspired scripture and from among whom we would receive the designated Savior (Jesus) and true bearer of God's spiritual message as the Word of God.
No its not everyone. Sorry everyone isnt Gods Elect.
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Old 01-30-2022, 11:16 AM
 
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No its not everyone. Sorry everyone isnt Gods Elect.
Why on earth do you think they wouldn't be?? Why do you think you are??? What supreme arrogance and vanity drives your beliefs about God??? Your soul is in jeopardy. I will pray for you.
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Old 01-30-2022, 03:54 PM
 
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The Cause of Election by John Gill

These maxims are certainly true and indisputable: (1) That nothing in time can be the cause of what was done in eternity. To believe, to do good works, and persevere in them are acts in time, and so cannot be causes of election, which was done in eternity. And (2) That nothing out of God can be the cause of any decree or will in him. He is no passive Being, to be wrought upon by motives and inducements outside of himself. If his will is moved by anything outside of him, that must be superior to him, and his will must become dependent on that; which to say of God is to speak very unworthily of him. God wills things because it so pleases him. Predestination is according to the good pleasure of his will. Election is according to his foreknowledge, which is no other than his free favor and good will to men (Eph.1:5; 1 Pet. 1:2). No other reason can be given of God's will or decree to bestow grace and glory on men, for his own glory, and of his actual donation of them, but what our Lord gives: "Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in thy sight" (Matt. 11:25-26).
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Old 01-30-2022, 05:47 PM
 
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What good are all the scriptures of the elect of Israel when you are not Israel?

You may as well be a peace making African Hindu who claims to be one of Odin's berzerkers who will be celebrated in Valhala.


If you arent with Israel practicing the same Sabbaths as Israel, you arent Israel.

The elect are Israel, not Gentiles, and unless the Gentile joins Israel, none of those scriptures of the elect are about them, they are about Gentiles who join Israel, who practice the same religion as Jesus.
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Old 01-31-2022, 07:27 AM
 
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Some claim that God chooses certain individuals to save (Unconditional Election) and others to condemn to eternal torment in the Lake of Fire, without ever giving them a chance for salvation. The following Scriptures fly in the face of this doctrine.

If you believe the teaching of unconditional election, then please explain the following words from Jesus and His inspired penmen.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

James 2:9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, …

John 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all to Myself.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God hath appeared, bringing salvation to all men,

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

1 Timothy 2:3-4 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 who would have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Luke 19:20 for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.
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