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Election took place not only prior to any of the chosen vessels of mercy existed, but before the foundation of the world; also scripture states that the Lord Jesus Christ who died for the elect, or His Sheep " that He's the Lamb slain [for the elect] from the foundation of the world Rev 13:18 also see 1 Pet 1:19-20
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Ephesians 2:8-9 does not specify as not being man's faith.
It should be clear that faith and works are mutually exclusive according to that passage.
The faith is indeed not of ourselves; however the faith does belong to us. We are the ones who exercise it (2 Corinthians 5:7).
Whether you say its mans sinful faith, or if its the gift of faith by the Spirit, since you condition salvation on it, and not exclusively on Christ, its works !
Whether you say its mans sinful faith, or if its the gift of faith by the Spirit, since you condition salvation on it, and not exclusively on Christ, its works !
If you want to insist on that, then Jesus will tell you that works save in John 6:28-29.
The work of God in Jn 6:29 is Gods work, not mans . But since you say believing is your act which gets you saved, thats being saved by your works
Being saved has NOTHING to do with us! Taking advantage of being saved and getting the most benefit from it is what depends on us. This will be evident in our "works" which will be tested by fire but it has nothing to do with our salvation because we are already saved by Jesus.
I think it might be the ones who persist in judging others. After all, the scriptures are pretty clear in warning us what awaits those who can't seem to stop condemning their fellow man and threatening them with fire and damnation:
Matthew 7:1-5 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
I can't believe how many people figure they're somehow exempt from this commandment. I guess they figure they have 20/20 spiritual vision. Unfortunately, none of us do.
Being saved has NOTHING to do with us! Taking advantage of being saved and getting the most benefit from it is what depends on us. This will be evident in our "works" which will be tested by fire but it has nothing to do with our salvation because we are already saved by Jesus.
I must have skimmed past that lol (didn’t even notice)
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