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Some claim that God chooses certain individuals to save (Unconditional Election) and others to condemn to eternal torment in the Lake of Fire, without ever giving them a chance for salvation. The following Scriptures fly in the face of this doctrine.
If you believe the teaching of unconditional election, then please explain the following words from Jesus and His inspired penmen.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
James 2:9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, …
John 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all to Myself.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God hath appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
1 Timothy 2:3-4 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 who would have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Luke 19:20 for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.
What good are all the scriptures of the elect of Israel when you are not Israel?
You may as well be a peace making African Hindu who claims to be one of Odin's berzerkers who will be celebrated in Valhala.
If you arent with Israel practicing the same Sabbaths as Israel, you arent Israel.
The elect are Israel, not Gentiles, and unless the Gentile joins Israel, none of those scriptures of the elect are about them, they are about Gentiles who join Israel, who practice the same religion as Jesus.
You promoting election by ethnicity, thats conditional election and its sinful and makes God a respector of persons.
You promoting election by ethnicity, that's conditional election and it's sinful and makes God a respecter of persons.
You are promoting election by caprice which makes God an evil monster according to your beliefs about eternal Hell. Fortunately, eternal Hell does not exist and God loves us all.
You are promoting election by caprice which makes God an evil monster according to your beliefs about eternal Hell. Fortunately, eternal Hell does not exist and God loves us all.
To promote election by ethnicity promotes racial pride, God doesnt do that. Election is by Grace and it is inclusive of all nationalities. There isnt anything about the sinner that causes God to choose them. All men are dead in sin and hate God by nature, even the ones He has chosen.
Election which the scripture teach, most certainly implies its opposite rejection !
This is an insurmountable stumbling block to the theory of universal salvation.
Only because you mistakenly think it is a selective election, but it applies to ALL of us. We are the ones who fall short of what we are to BECOME and will endure the consequences. Fortunately, the consequences are correctable and NOT eternal.
Only because you mistakenly think it is a selective election, but it applies to ALL of us. We are the ones who fall short of what we are to BECOME and will endure the consequences. Fortunately, the consequences are correctable and NOT eternal.
Again Election means rejection. The election receive salvation, the rest are rejected and blinded Rom 11:7-8
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh forut the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.; b
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
Again Election means rejection. The election receive salvation, the rest are rejected and blinded Rom 11:7-8
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh forut the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.; b
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
Your concept of election needs a refresh. May I offer you a better option than Augustine and/or Calvin? Here they are:
I recommend that you focus on the views being expressed by Barth and Schleiermacher.
All are elect in the Elect One, Christ (Isa 42:1). And all are in Christ by means of creation (Col 1:16 and Acts 17:28). Therefore, all are elect in Christ.
I recommend that you focus on the views being expressed by Barth and Schleiermacher.
All are elect in the Elect One, Christ (Isa 42:1). And all are in Christ by means of creation (Col 1:16 and Acts 17:28). Therefore, all are elect in Christ.
It's really that simple.
In fact that word for blinded in Rom 11 where God rejects them in opposition to the election, the word means to harden, God hardens them He rejects and dont count them among His Election of Grace !
In fact that word for blinded in Rom 11 where God rejects them in opposition to the election, the word means to harden, God hardens them He rejects and dont count them among His Election of Grace !
I have no idea what you're discussing or what you read/heard that you're objecting to.
If you're referring to Rom 11:25, the blindness that occurred to Israel is temporary until the fullness of the Gentiles has been brought in. And then, all Israel shall be saved:
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
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