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Old 10-29-2021, 07:55 AM
 
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And every single one of the 35,000 Protestant denominations will tell you that THEY are the ones who have relied on the Bible alone and not imported their own ideas.
If you're going to persist in that stupid argument that has been debunked so many times I can see you are not really interested in having a real discussion on this. So we're done.
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Old 10-29-2021, 08:13 AM
 
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If you're going to persist in that stupid argument that has been debunked so many times I can see you are not really interested in having a real discussion on this. So we're done.
I wasn’t aware that the fact there are thousands of Protestant denominations with differing and opposing beliefs , all based on their reading of the Bible , had been debunked . 35,000 was the number I found by a researcher who went in trying to prove this number wrong, but who came to the conclusion after much research that is was indeed correct .

But regardless, if using more stringent criteria the number is more like 10,000 instead of 35,000 , does this really change the point any?

Your choosing to leave rather than try to discuss doesn’t bother me one way or another . Post or not as you feel capable .

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Old 10-29-2021, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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The Bible specifically warns all of us not to add or subtract books. Those who do will be blotted out of the Book of Life.........

REV 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Every "book" contained in the Bible was added to it at some point, and a great many "books" have been removed. The warning in Revelation pertains to the book of Revelation, and not to the entire Bible, which didn't even exist at that point. God never put a gag order on himself. He is free to communicate with anyone He chooses at any point in time.
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Old 10-29-2021, 08:24 AM
 
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You seem to be blaming the word of God for people believing falsely. That is so not true. The fault lies with people, not God.

No they cannot prove that the baptism of babies is Scriptural. In fact, their argument is very weak when lined up side by side with the whole counsel of God on the topic of baptism. Catholics will choose to believe what they have been taught even in the face of overwhelming evidence. They will deny the most basic facts, one being that the word baptizo means submerge, overwhelm, immerse.
I believe you've got your head in the sand, MissKate. Either that, or your suffering from a chronic case of confirmation bias.
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Old 10-29-2021, 08:26 AM
 
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The same warnings are found in Deuteronomy and Proverbs. Do not add or take away from God’s word.
And just look at how many people ignored the warning in Deuteronomy and just continued compiling new scripture. According to your reasoning, everything written after Deuteronomy should be thrown out.
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Old 10-29-2021, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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And just look at how many people ignored the warning in Deuteronomy and just continued compiling new scripture. According to your reasoning, everything written after Deuteronomy should be thrown out.
Exactly
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Old 10-29-2021, 08:40 AM
 
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And just look at how many people ignored the warning in Deuteronomy and just continued compiling new scripture. According to your reasoning, everything written after Deuteronomy should be thrown out.


LOL . A classic response . That’s going to leave them scratching their heads a bit . The entire NT is addition to Scripture in violation of Deuteronomy!
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Old 10-29-2021, 09:18 AM
 
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You seem to be blaming the word of God for people believing falsely. That is so not true. The fault lies with people, not God.

No they cannot prove that the baptism of babies is Scriptural. In fact, their argument is very weak when lined up side by side with the whole counsel of God on the topic of baptism. Catholics will choose to believe what they have been taught even in the face of overwhelming evidence. They will deny the most basic facts, one being that the word baptizo means submerge, overwhelm, immerse.
This is the problem with a little knowledge. The "immersion" was a mikveh, a ceremonial act of overwhelming commitment before God, not a requirement to receive some magical endowment from God. This is why Katz's view of infant baptism is correct. An infant is not capable of having or making any such commitment but Catholics probably feel it is safer in case it is a magical conferring of some endowment from God.
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Old 10-29-2021, 11:00 AM
 
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Every "book" contained in the Bible was added to it at some point, and a great many "books" have been removed. The warning in Revelation pertains to the book of Revelation, and not to the entire Bible, which didn't even exist at that point. God never put a gag order on himself. He is free to communicate with anyone He chooses at any point in time.

Can you explain what you mean by every book of the Bible has been added to? Do you mean the actual manuscripts?

Am I misunderstanding you? Did you just say the entire Bible didn’t exist at the time Revelation was written? Didn’t the Old Testament scrolls available when Jesus walked the earth. And what about the gospels, and letter? Are you saying they hadn’t been written, copied and circulated before Revelation was written?

The Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Roman Catholic Magisterium make the same claims you made in your last statement. God speaks directly to them too.
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Old 10-29-2021, 11:06 AM
 
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Can you explain what you mean by every book of the Bible has been added to? Do you mean the actual manuscripts?

Am I misunderstanding you? Did you just say the entire Bible didn’t exist at the time Revelation was written? Didn’t the Old Testament scrolls available when Jesus walked the earth. And what about the gospels, and letter? Are you saying they hadn’t been written, copied and circulated before Revelation was written?

The Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Roman Catholic Magisterium make the same claims you made in your last statement. God speaks directly to them too.


She is saying that if the OT book of Deuteronomy proclaims that nothing is to be added to Scripture, and says this thousands of years before the NT was written, then the New Testament violates the warning in the OT to not add more books to Scripture. The NT as a whole is an addition to the OT, which you quoted Deuteronomy as forbidding .
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