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They didn't "elect" him? Then what did they do with him?
The point is that they didn't cast ballots to elect him the way a pope would be elected today. They basically drew straws. Or rolled dice -- casting lots was an act that had some randomness to it.
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Yes, casting lots was the method they used to determine who Judas's successor ought to be.
Who has made that suggestion? Are you making it now?
I've read different commentaries over the years that suggested it. It's interesting that we never really see him do much. And there is no recorded command from God to choose a new successor.
The point is that they didn't cast ballots to elect him the way a pope would be elected today. They basically drew straws. Or rolled dice -- casting lots was an act that had some randomness to it.
Matthias wasn't being elected bishop of Rome. Regardless, Popes have been elected in all kinds of different ways throughout history. There is no divinely set method for it.
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I've read different commentaries over the years that suggested it. It's interesting that we never really see him do much. And there is no recorded command from God to choose a new successor.
We don't read about any of the apostles "doing much". Nearly all of what we know about them comes from extra-biblical sources.
The point is that they didn't cast ballots to elect him the way a pope would be elected today. They basically drew straws. Or rolled dice -- casting lots was an act that had some randomness to it.
I've read different commentaries over the years that suggested it. It's interesting that we never really see him do much. And there is no recorded command from God to choose a new successor.
Good post! In Acts 1:16 and 20, we’re told the reason Judas was replaced. It was to fulfill the Scripture. From the book of Psalms, “Let another take his office.” There’s no record of any other Apostle being replaced, ever. James, the brother of John, was killed by the sword, but he was not replaced. Apostolic succession is based solely on the one verse, which talks about Judas being replaced. Everything else is from Roman Catholic tradition, which is NOT God-breathed.
Matthias wasn't being elected bishop of Rome. Regardless, Popes have been elected in all kinds of different ways throughout history. There is no divinely set method for it.
We don't read about any of the apostles "doing much". Nearly all of what we know about them comes from extra-biblical sources.
That’s because Apostolic succession was never divinely sanctioned. The RCC has built this doctrine from one verse, and that is the casting of lots to replace Judas. This teaching is based mainly on Roman Catholic traditions, which are not inspired.
They did what they had to do to fulfill the Scripture from Psalm 109:8. “Let another take his office.” Read Acts 1:16 and 20. This was a one time thing. We never see it repeated again. James, the brother of John, was killed by the sword. Notice, he was not replaced. All of the Apostles, including Peter and Paul, died before the Apostle John, yet John never mentions them being replaced. Apostolic succession is a false teaching based on one verse and one only, along with Roman Catholic tradition, which is not Inspired.
That’s because Apostolic succession was never divinely sanctioned. The RCC has built this doctrine from one verse, and that is the casting of lots to replace Judas. This teaching is based mainly on Roman Catholic traditions, which are not inspired.
Perhaps you have never read Isaiah 22 - the traditional office of the steward was long established - Jesus just needed to once again 'throw down' the current leadership and then appoint another, Peter, to the office, just as He did Eliakim. (note that even Eliakim's line was prophesized to eventually fall -Isaiah 22:25 , but Peters would never fail - Matthew 16:18), so you're gonna have to throw out Jewish tradition as well - things Our Lord firmly established!
That’s because Apostolic succession was never divinely sanctioned. The RCC has built this doctrine from one verse, and that is the casting of lots to replace Judas. This teaching is based mainly on Roman Catholic traditions, which are not inspired.
On this we definitely agree. God calls and chooses His representatives, NOT men.
They did what they had to do to fulfill the Scripture from Psalm 109:8. “Let another take his office.” Read Acts 1:16 and 20. This was a one time thing. We never see it repeated again. James, the brother of John, was killed by the sword. Notice, he was not replaced. All of the Apostles, including Peter and Paul, died before the Apostle John, yet John never mentions them being replaced. Apostolic succession is a false teaching based on one verse and one only, along with Roman Catholic tradition, which is not Inspired.
One could suggest that Paul took his place. That's the thing.
Peter and Paul preached the same gospel, the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. Peter preached to the Jews, Paul to the Gentiles, each requiring a special approach by the preacher, but there were not two gospels.
Our God is not the author of confusion. Why in His holy name would He give two different gospels?
Consider this. Did those Jews who the Lord added to His church on Pentecost have to be retaught? Did they have to conform to a different gospel?
Paul writes to the congregation at Ephesus, "Try hard to keep the unity of the Spirit in the peace that binds you together. There is one body and one Spirit, as you also were called in one hope at your calling. There is one Lord, one faith, one immersion, one God and Father of all..." (Ephesians 4:3-6)
How could Paul claim such unity in the body of Christ in Ephesus if the Jews in that congregation followed a different faith than its Gentile members? There was one faith and it was "the faith of the gospel" (Philippians 1:27).
The One faith came from the gospel of Christ, not two different gospels, or two versions of the gospel.
When you study Peter and Paul’s messages within the epistles they both wrote, you see the alignment, agreement, and unification between the two concerning the gospels.
The gospel during Christ's earthly ministry could not be the same as Paul's the cross hadn't happened til the end of the earthly ministry.......
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