Cincinnati-Indianapolis-Chicago high speed rail (Mason, Norwood: crime, tax return, installing)

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Wilson513

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Cincinnati has a large (very large) population of discouraged, indigenous poor. The income demographic is bimodal. The arithmatic mean you quoted means nothing. People I know make just as much as our counterparts in law, medicine, corporate, and government as they do in Chicago, Portland, and Seattle. New York is a special circumstance. But, cost of living is so much higher in all of the cities you mentioned, (30% or more) that we have a much better standard of living than those cities. I am sorry about our urban poor. If I could wave a wand I would make them all employed and prosperous. But, it just isn't going to happen.

Cost of living is higher because demand is higher. You think places are cheap because everyone wants to live there? That's not how it works, no matter what anecdotes you share about your friends.

[C0de_M0nkey]

Originally Posted by Wilson513

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Cincinnati has a large (very large) population of discouraged, indigenous poor. The income demographic is bimodal. The arithmatic mean you quoted means nothing. People I know make just as much as our counterparts in law, medicine, corporate, and government as they do in Chicago, Portland, and Seattle. New York is a special circumstance. But, cost of living is so much higher in all of the cities you mentioned, (30% or more) that we have a much better standard of living than those cities. I am sorry about our urban poor. If I could wave a wand I would make them all employed and prosperous. But, it just isn't going to happen.

Claim: Cincinnati is more prosperous without population growth.

Fact: Every single major American city that has seen significant population growth is wealthier than Cincinnati. There is not a single exception.

Prosperity increases land value and demand for housing. This increases cost of living. Atlanta has a large population of indigenous, discouraged poor as well. However, due in part to an increasing population Atlanta's median income is 58% higher than Cincinnati's. Cost of living isn't higher in Atlanta either. There is no evidence than population growth is not good for a city.

[C0de_M0nkey]

Originally Posted by Wilson513

You just don't get it. Why don't you compare salaries of specific jobs between Portland and Cincinnati. People don't get awarded the median income when they come here. They make very much the same as their counterparts elsewhere only with lower taxes and dramatically lower housing costs.

According to Indeed people in my field (software development) make 4.5% more in Portland and 30% more in Atlanta. It wouldn't even be fair if I did comparisons with cities like San Francisco and Seattle.

[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by C0de_M0nkey

According to Indeed people in my field (software development) make 4.5% more in Portland and 30% more in Atlanta. It wouldn't even be fair if I did comparisons with cities like San Francisco and Seattle.

Just keep thinking that way. Hope you do very well in your field. But guess what there has to be a need. I worked on software for more than 40 years. But I never considered it software, just another means to let our machines produce the parts our customers desired.

Have much younger coworkers traveling the Globe today, installing much of the current generation equipment I worked on. So when they email me today about their global projects I am thrilled.

[Wilson513]

Originally Posted by C0de_M0nkey

According to Indeed people in my field (software development) make 4.5% more in Portland and 30% more in Atlanta. It wouldn't even be fair if I did comparisons with cities like San Francisco and Seattle.

How much does a bus driver in Portland make compared with Cincinnati. An accountant?

[Chemistry_Guy]

Originally Posted by Wilson513

Growth is not an advantage, it is a disadvantage.

I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly. I could not care less how "significant" my city is, and I don't really want to live around others that do. I would much prefer to live in a quiet river town with clean air, old trees, and midwestern values than a mini-NYC.

[goofy328]

Originally Posted by American Luxury

?Hamilton County commissioners want Cincinnati-Chicago high-speed rail study - Cincinnati Business Courier

Really looking forward to this and hope it happens!

What about rail within Cincinnati? Isn't there a non-functional subway system buried somewhere in the city?

[Wilson513]

Originally Posted by Chemistry_Guy

I could not care less how "significant" my city is, and I don't really want to live around others that do. I would much prefer to live in a quiet river town with clean air, old trees, and midwestern values than a mini-NYC.

^^^ This is wisdom. Quality of life does not mean clogged roads or packed trains or a 4.5% salary differential. Quality of life means having an affordable home, knowing your neighbors, having nice places for recreation, and contributing to the community.

Growth is the goal of urban planners, government agencies and commission based corporate types. Detroit Mi. and Atlanta GA were two of the fastest growing cities of the second half of the 20th century.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by goofy328

What about rail within Cincinnati? Isn't there a non-functional subway system buried somewhere in the city?

Sadly, yes.

Below downtown's Central Parkway, extending out along I-75 north, are the tunnels of this abandoned subway, where construction ceased in 1927. (Just "wiki" Cincinnati Subway and take a look for yourself.)

[goofy328]

Originally Posted by motorman

Sadly, yes.

Below downtown's Central Parkway, extending out along I-75 north, are the tunnels of this abandoned subway, where construction ceased in 1927. (Just "wiki" Cincinnati Subway and take a look for yourself.)

Interesting that no other cities in Ohio planned one. Elevation is pretty high in Ohio, must have been the economy in those other cities.