Cincinnati-Indianapolis-Chicago high speed rail (Cleveland, Georgetown: city hall, versus, suburb)

[C0de_M0nkey]

Originally Posted by Wilson513

How much does a bus driver in Portland make compared with Cincinnati. An accountant?

Bus drivers make $37k in Cincinnati and $40k in Portland. They make $50k in Chicago.

Bus driver salary in Cincinnati

Bus driver salary in Portland

http://www.simplyhired.com/salaries-...o-il-jobs.html

I'm still waiting to see a single shred of evidence that Cincinnati losing 50% of its population was a good thing.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Cincinnati might be a much more significant city today had it completed its subway...

Probably so, but to what extent will have to remain conjecture.

However, in such "what could, would, should have been Cincinnati" memorabilia, there's a more disconcerting event that occurred long before the 1927 subway abandonment--one so influencial that its reversal would have guaranteed Cincinnati be catapulted into both a global city and household name...

And that was in 1901/02 Henry Ford and J.W. Packard came to Cincinnati first to secure capital to market motorcars and secure patents held by the city's carriage manufacturers for construction of auto bodies--and since Cincinnati was the center of this trade, Ford and Packard tried to persuade executives of the larger plants to manufacture both the bodies and the engines. Nevertheless, the two men's repeated efforts failed and they moved on to Detroit.

So, not only did Cincinnati kiss a subway goodbye, but also an entire car industry. Oh, for sure, Midwestern manufacturing cities such as Cincy still rely heavily upon automotive products, but next to Detroit the rest of us are mostly just contenders.

[Wilson513]

Originally Posted by motorman

Probably so, but to what extent will have to remain conjecture.

However, in such "what could, would, should have been Cincinnati" memorabilia, there's a more disconcerting event that occurred long before the 1927 subway abandonment--one so influencial that its reversal would have guaranteed Cincinnati be catapulted into both a global city and household name...

And that was in 1901/02 Henry Ford and J.W. Packard came to Cincinnati first to secure capital to market motorcars and secure patents held by the city's carriage manufacturers for construction of auto bodies--and since Cincinnati was the center of this trade, Ford and Packard tried to persuade executives of the larger plants to manufacture both the bodies and the engines. Nevertheless, the two men's repeated efforts failed and they moved on to Detroit.

So, not only did Cincinnati kiss a subway goodbye, but also an entire car industry. Oh, for sure, Midwestern manufacturing cities such as Cincy still rely heavily upon automotive products, but next to Detroit the rest of us are mostly just contenders.

Great story. Detroit became one of the most hellish cities outside the Third World. A vermin infested crime ridden bankrupt ghetto of hate and violence. Thank God for Henry Ford going to Detroit.

Yet another good reason to be careful of what you wish for.

[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by motorman

Probably so, but to what extent will have to remain conjecture.

However, in such "what could, would, should have been Cincinnati" memorabilia, there's a more disconcerting event that occurred long before the 1927 subway abandonment--one so influencial that its reversal would have guaranteed Cincinnati be catapulted into both a global city and household name...

And that was in 1901/02 Henry Ford and J.W. Packard came to Cincinnati first to secure capital to market motorcars and secure patents held by the city's carriage manufacturers for construction of auto bodies--and since Cincinnati was the center of this trade, Ford and Packard tried to persuade executives of the larger plants to manufacture both the bodies and the engines. Nevertheless, the two men's repeated efforts failed and they moved on to Detroit.

So, not only did Cincinnati kiss a subway goodbye, but also an entire car industry. Oh, for sure, Midwestern manufacturing cities such as Cincy still rely heavily upon automotive products, but next to Detroit the rest of us are mostly just contenders.

Great post. But don't forget Cincinnati was the Machine Tool Capital of the US for many years. The old as we used to call it The MILL was the biggest. I had many classmates and friends who worked there. Spent my entire life in that industry at LeBlond. Was so fortunate when they sold out to the Japanese who decided early on to sell the factory in Norwood (Rookwood Commons) and build a new facility in Mason a few miles from my house.

This was during the time the entire machine tool industry in the US went to Hell in a hand basket. If you want to know why, ask the US Government.

The succeeding company, Makino is a world-wide powerhouse. The Mason facility no longer manufactures anything, but it is a superb sales and service facility. They can dazzle you with the demonstrations of what those machines can do.

Some of my very much younger coworkers, I have kids older than them, are busy hopping all over the world installing machine tools. You name it Europe, South America, Brazil, Argentina, or Alaska they are going at it. The Japanese are extremely adept at recognizing talent. And when they recognize superior talent look out. They will work your ass off around the world.

NO, Cincinnati did not miss the boat. Our US Government missed the boat. Cost the majority of the industry I grew up in their jobs.

I have a nephew by marriage, whose family were lifetime employees of Ford. He still works there, just now in Detroit.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Chemistry_Guy

I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly. I could not care less how "significant" my city is, and I don't really want to live around others that do. I would much prefer to live in a quiet river town with clean air, old trees, and midwestern values than a mini-NYC.

There are thousands of small towns like this across the Midwest. I don't get the logic whatsoever of trying to force an actual city to function and resemble a small village rather than a city. Cincinnati isn't Mayberry and never has been.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Wilson513

Great story. Detroit became one of the most hellish cities outside the Third World. A vermin infested crime ridden bankrupt ghetto of hate and violence. Thank God for Henry Ford going to Detroit.

Yet another good reason to be careful of what you wish for.

Detroit's problems are not necessarily from the auto industry itself, but in Detroit pretty much basing its entire economy almost exclusively on that one industry. Detroit was doomed for a long time before the actual decline even began. And its long record of corruption has only exacerbated the problems. There is no guarantee that Cincinnati would've suffered anything close to the same fate.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by C0de_M0nkey

Bus drivers make $37k in Cincinnati and $40k in Portland. They make $50k in Chicago.

Bus driver salary in Cincinnati

Bus driver salary in Portland

Bus Driver Salaries in Chicago, IL | Simply Hired

I'm still waiting to see a single shred of evidence that Cincinnati losing 50% of its population was a good thing.

Sorry, but this link's bus driver salaries don't match the ones quoted. From this same source, I just obtained these figures: Portland, $50k; Cincinnati, $46k; Chicago, $41k.

[Wilson513]

Originally Posted by motorman

Sorry, but this link's bus driver salaries don't match the ones quoted. From this same source, I just obtained these figures: Portland, $50k; Cincinnati, $46k; Chicago, $41k.

Actually, I see Portland bus drivers at $31,000 on that site, not $50,000.

All I can tell you is that I have looked at hundreds of tax returns in my job and people here make what one would expect from big city employment.

[goofy328]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

There are thousands of small towns like this across the Midwest. I don't get the logic whatsoever of trying to force an actual city to function and resemble a small village rather than a city. Cincinnati isn't Mayberry and never has been.

I though that was only certain neighborhoods though. Is this all of Cincinnati?

[Wilson513]

Bigger=Better=BS