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it's not that much of an over-statement. it's not like i'm saying beaumont and new orleans are the exact same place, but they are FAR more similar than texas and california.
Who's saying that Texas and California are exactly alike? I'm saying that the two have connections. To go on, SE TX, SW LA, and SE LA all have similarities, but they are 3 distinct places with 3 different dominant cultures.
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i wouldn't be surprised by anything. i have lived in south carolina and i have lived in eastern texas (including houston) and the cultural differences are trivial at best. houston is in the south, so how could it possibly be more similar to california than places it shares a region with?
Again, I'm not saying that they are exactly alike. The regions are connected via migration patterns and history. Nobody said they were similar, even though they are, and no one is talking culture . I don't know anything about East Texas, but the South Coast has strong ties with Cali from SE Texas well into Coastal Mississippi where they begin to gravitate towards GA, etc.
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as far as the rap goes, yes there are some houston artists with connections to california, but they do not represent the whole city. many of the artists underground have that pure, southern, REAL houston sound
Even the PURE Houston music is closer to the west than the southeast. Just compare rap from Dallas to music coming from Houston. Compare it any music on the Gulf Coast from Chorpus Christi to New Orleans. It doesn't shift until Biloxi and eastward.
Even the PURE Houston music is closer to the west than the southeast. Just compare rap from Dallas to music coming from Houston. Compare it any music on the Gulf Coast from Chorpus Christi to New Orleans. It doesn't shift until Biloxi and eastward.
Yep. If you listen to to old K-Rino and South Park Coalition sound from back in teh late 80s and 90s, you would think you're hearing something from LA.
Who's saying that Texas and California are exactly alike? I'm saying that the two have connections. To go on, SE TX, SW LA, and SE LA all have similarities, but they are 3 distinct places with 3 different dominant cultures.
Again, I'm not saying that they are exactly alike. The regions are connected via migration patterns and history. Nobody said they were similar, even though they are, and no one is talking culture . I don't know anything about East Texas, but the South Coast has strong ties with Cali from SE Texas well into Coastal Mississippi where they begin to gravitate towards GA, etc.
half of this makes no sense to me. all i know is that houston is more connected to the southeast than it could ever be to california. i'm even pretty sure that there are blacks from places like mississippi and alabama than there are californians
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Even the PURE Houston music is closer to the west than the southeast. Just compare rap from Dallas to music coming from Houston. Compare it any music on the Gulf Coast from Chorpus Christi to New Orleans. It doesn't shift until Biloxi and eastward.
absolutely not. you mean to tell me that people like juve and soulja slim are more comparable to california artists than say artists from georgia or florida? new orleans bounce music sounds way more like something you'd hear in atlanta or birmingham than you'd hear in los angeles
and as far as houston goes, all you and spade are doing is taking artists with obvious west coast influences (spm? really?) and probably comparing them to crunk/snap music in georgia
all of this really isn't saying much anyway, because a lot of folks used to say groups like outkast and goodie mob sounded west coast back then
half of this makes no sense to me. all i know is that houston is more connected to the southeast than it could ever be to california. i'm even pretty sure that there are blacks from places like mississippi and alabama than there are californians
You really don't get it.........
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absolutely not. you mean to tell me that people like juve and soulja slim are more comparable to california artists than say artists from georgia or florida? new orleans bounce music sounds way more like something you'd hear in atlanta or birmingham than you'd hear in los angeles
You do realize that Juvenile and Slim were actually bounce artists turned rappers right and only 2 out of thousands. You also should know that Bounce and New Orleans Rap are two completely different genres. Cash Money started as a bounce label and bounce can be traced to Harlem M.C.s (there are several sub genres to bounce that all sound different.
NOLA has always had a large undrground hip hop seen and I guarantee 90% of it sounds west or east coast vs southern. Atlanta and Dallas style music barely gets airplay in NOLA anyway.
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and as far as houston goes, all you and spade are doing is taking artists with obvious west coast influences (spm? really?) and probably comparing them to crunk/snap music in georgia
Well hasn't our argument been that it was influenced by the west? I'm looking at more than just GA
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all of this really isn't saying much anyway, because a lot of folks used to say groups like outkast and goodie mob sounded west coast back then
half of this makes no sense to me. all i know is that houston is more connected to the southeast than it could ever be to california. i'm even pretty sure that there are blacks from places like mississippi and alabama than there are californians
No.. You really REALLY don't get what I'm saying.
Houston is in the south. Mississippi and Alabama are in the south. Of course they will have CULTURAL similarities and Houston as a little influence on MS as well.
DO REALIZE that during the migration, while people from MS and AL were moving to IL, IN, and MI in droves; people from the Gulf Coast were moving to CA.
Houston is in the south. Mississippi and Alabama are in the south. Of course they will have CULTURAL similarities and Houston as a little influence on MS as well.
DO REALIZE that during the migration, while people from MS and AL were moving to IL, IN, and MI in droves; people from the Gulf Coast were moving to CA.
you say that, but then turn around and compare SE texas' relationship with louisiana to its relationship with california
what i'm trying to get you to understand is that southeast texas and louisiana are very similar in culture, southeast texas and california ARE NOT. therefore, SE texas is far more connected to louisiana than it could ever be to california
My argument is not that one area is connected more to a certain place over the other. My argument is that a connection between Houston and the West Coast exists and it is pretty significant.
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i'm even pretty sure that there are blacks from places like mississippi and alabama than there are californians
Maybe so, but that does not mean there are not many Black Californians in Houston. Most Black Californians choose Texas over any Southern state due to proximity and history.
you say that, but then turn around and compare SE texas' relationship with louisiana to its relationship with california
what i'm trying to get you to understand is that southeast texas and louisiana are very similar in culture, southeast texas and california ARE NOT. therefore, SE texas is far more connected to louisiana than it could ever be to california
I don't think WBNola is denying that there are stronger connections between SE TX and LA than there are between SE TX and Cali. It's pretty obvious that the Louisiana/Texas connections are much stronger, so how you interpreted that from his statements, I have no idea.
But he is making a case that there are SE Texas-California connections as well. They may not be as strong as the connections to Louisiana, but they are there and strong in their own right. You make it sound as if there are virtually no connections between the two, and that's simply not true.
An analogy would be the connections between Georgia and New York. Obviously, the connections with other parts of the Southeast to Georgia would be stronger, but there is a strong Georgia-New York connection. It may not be necessarily all cultural, but the connections are there.
you say that, but then turn around and compare SE texas' relationship with louisiana to its relationship with california
DUDE
You said that Texans don't like Californians as if that means they can't be connected. I brought up that many Southeast Texans seem to resent South Louisianans, even tough we both know that Texas and Louisiana are beyond connected. THAT WAS MY POINT with that. Not only that, but South Louisiana have the same connections to California as Southeast Houston versus being connected more to say Atlanta.
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what i'm trying to get you to understand is that southeast texas and louisiana are very similar in culture, southeast texas and california ARE NOT. therefore, SE texas is far more connected to louisiana than it could ever be to california
For the last time, nobody is claiming anything CULTURAL. You are pulling that from thin air. We are talking about connections between people, ie: relatives, migration patterns, and the small cultural exchanges that occur as a result from them.
Trust me when I say that the number of people moving to Houston from Alabama and Mississippi (especially) is much larger than the number moving from Houston to Mississippi. The number of people moving between GA, NC, SC and Houston are not that strong compared to the number of people moving westward.
We are so far off topic that I'm gonna just agree to disagree.
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I don't think WBNola is denying that there are stronger connections between SE TX and LA than there are between SE TX and Cali. It's pretty obvious that the Louisiana/Texas connections are much stronger, so how you interpreted that from his statements, I have no idea. 
