[Stepfordct]

Originally Posted by DigitalMilford

This doesn't sound insane at all.

If you commit a crime, there should be commensurate consequences-- I think we can all agree on that.

At the same time, those consequences should be based on the crime and whether white, black, or something else, your sentence should be the same. We do have a problem with over-incarceration of black and brown men that needs to be addressed as well.

If we can agree that these are problems, we don't need to get into conspiracies, or caricatures of the other political party to solve them if we're reasonable people.

Originally Posted by DigitalMilford

I know you don't care, but, it's not as simple as protecting perpetrators instead of crime victims.

There's a great deal of research and evidence that points to outcomes being worse for kids where the juvenile justice system intervenes-- The outcomes actually may be worse than if there is no intervention at all.

If you care about this issue beyond the victims vs perpetrators dichotomy, you have to wonder about the ethics and efficacy of putting juveniles in a system that may actually damage them. Further, since this affects black and brown children at higher rates than white or Asian children, one has to wonder about the racial equity dynamic of having such a system.

To me, this is a highly complex social issue. Yes, people have a right to be safe. Yes, victims of crime should see some restitution. But that doesn't solve the problem of a juvenile justice system that makes kids worse, not better.

This is a culture problem. Let's take Asian families as the extreme.... Tiger Moms are a real thing.
Good friend and biz partner is Asian. Very successful, went to law school, started and sold a few companies. Never became an attorney. Mom can't let it go. Could retire tomorrow in his 30s....

Other group mentioned earlier has highest % of single parents that is encouraged by our welfare system at large.
IE more money if not married. The media/Govt bombards this same group that they are victims, nothing is their fault, etc.....

Worse than that they put the blame at the biggest group. Dividing us.

Keep telling a group they got a bad deal, and you can't do better, they won't even try to do better...

Fix that...

[EmiSky]

I don’t know if this is the appropriate thread to post this as at this moment it’s unknown who the shooter is, but this is terrible. I hope this is a wake up call for this and other politicians to take serious measures to combat the crime.

Mayor: Person shot, home of Sen. Gary Winfield hit by bullets in New Haven
https://www.nhregister.com/news/arti...rc=nhrhpdesecp

[RoundTableKnight]

AN ACT CONCERNING JUVENILE JUSTICE AND SERVICES AND FIREARMS BACKGROUND CHECKS
https://www.cga.ct.gov/asp/cgabillst...&bill_num=5417

To (1) provide for (A) more immediate arraignment and services for juvenile offenders, (B) electronic monitoring in certain circumstances, (C) expansion of provisions imposing upon a child special juvenile probation in the case of murder or first degree manslaughter, and (D) expansion of programs serving juveniles and reducing crime, and (2) require the Commissioner of Emergency Services and Public Protection to inform the Chief of Police or other appropriate official of the town in which a firearms permit applicant resides if such applicant fails a background check.

[Stepfordct]

Originally Posted by EmiSky

I don’t know if this is the appropriate thread to post this as at this moment it’s unknown who the shooter is, but this is terrible. I hope this is a wake up call for this and other politicians to take serious measures to combat the crime.

Mayor: Person shot, home of Sen. Gary Winfield hit by bullets in New Haven
https://www.nhregister.com/news/arti...rc=nhrhpdesecp

Wow a special person was shot at. Time to take action!

[dazzleman]

Originally Posted by RoundTableKnight

AN ACT CONCERNING JUVENILE JUSTICE AND SERVICES AND FIREARMS BACKGROUND CHECKS
https://www.cga.ct.gov/asp/cgabillst...&bill_num=5417

To (1) provide for (A) more immediate arraignment and services for juvenile offenders, (B) electronic monitoring in certain circumstances, (C) expansion of provisions imposing upon a child special juvenile probation in the case of murder or first degree manslaughter, and (D) expansion of programs serving juveniles and reducing crime, and (2) require the Commissioner of Emergency Services and Public Protection to inform the Chief of Police or other appropriate official of the town in which a firearms permit applicant resides if such applicant fails a background check.

I'm sure that anything that the Democrats would propose will be completely inadequate to deal with the problem. Their accent is always on the wrong syl-LA-ble.

[dazzleman]

Originally Posted by Stepfordct

Wow a special person was shot at. Time to take action!

If he's pro-criminal (and since he represents New Haven, he probably is), then it serves him right. I have no sympathy. Let these people live with the results of the rancid policies they inflict on all of us.

[ProudFairfielder]

Originally Posted by Stepfordct

Wow a special person was shot at. Time to take action!

Sadly that's often what it takes.

[MrGompers]

Originally Posted by dazzleman

If he's pro-criminal (and since he represents New Haven, he probably is), then it serves him right. I have no sympathy. Let these people live with the results of the rancid policies they inflict on all of us.

What policies would Republicans have implemented that would have prevented this shooting ?

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by MrGompers

What policies would Republicans have implemented that would have prevented this shooting ?

You have asked this multiple times in the thread, and have been provided with sources that show exactly what republicans have demanded. The state democrats have ignored or rejected their requests, as is what’s happening in this very thread.

At this point, it’s not even just republicans demanding change, it’s everyone vs the democrats on this issue.

[MrGompers]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

You have asked this multiple times in the thread, and have been provided with sources that show exactly what republicans have demanded. The state democrats have ignored or rejected their requests, as is what’s happening in this very thread.

At this point, it’s not even just republicans demanding change, it’s everyone vs the democrats on this issue.

I don't know how much more clear this can be.

What policies would Republicans have implemented before this shooting took place?

The republicans do not have any answers. And they never will.