Sorry for the late reply.
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Originally Posted by JWG223
I think you misread your links. It said nothing at all about officers lying. Can you show me that determination?
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What was said before the video came to light..
"A rookie officer and a 10-15 year veteran
pulled into the parking lot and
saw a few people sitting underneath a pavilion next to the center.
The rookie officer saw a black gun sitting on the table, and he saw the boy pick up the gun and put it in his waistband, Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association President Jeffrey
Follmer said.
The officer got out of the car and told the boy to put his hands up. The boy reached into his waistband, pulled out the gun and the rookie officer fired two shots, Tomba said."
Cleveland police officer shoots 12-year-old boy carrying BB gun | cleveland.com
They pulled into the parking lot - No. A car cannot get from the 'parking lot' to up by the pavilion without going around the block, then driving (roughly a block more or less) across grass and sidewalk to get to where the car ended up.
There were a few people sitting in the pavilion - No - as can be seen, only Rice was there.
Loehmann got out of the car and told Rice to put his hands up - No. Loehmann
apparently said it while holding the door open a crack as they were speeding up to where Rice was.
Rice pulled 'out' the gun - No not fully, if at all.
After the video surfaced ..
"6. Loehmann orders Tamir to show his hands from inside cruiser
As Garmback raced toward Tamir, Loehmann ordered Tamir three times to show his hands, according to the police account of the incident.
The commands were given through the cruiser's passenger side door Loehmann cracked open as they rushed the boy."
Tamir Rice killing caused by catastrophic chain of events: Analysis | cleveland.com
When giving the statements, before they knew there was a video and before the investigation began, there was no mention of the car sliding on grass, or snow, up to where Rice was standing. Before the video and investigation, it
was mentioned that they were in the parking lot, where it appears (so they claim) that Loehmann had gotten out of the car. Oh yeah, and suddenly, after the investigation had begun, the car had 'slid on the grass' up to where Rice was standing.
Two people know what had happened, and, two people had told a story that didn't match the video, now, two people had re-worked their story to match the video - and, after that, you still believe
everything they say?
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here is the FULL quote that you chopped in your post...
...see how the meaning changes when you actually quote the whole statement, hmmm?
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Sorry for the choppage.
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Further, it is now noted that the car slid vs. Was pulled up that close on purpose.
So what were you saying on those two fronts, now?
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You claim to see the video clearly - at what point did the car start sliding?
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As to the video, refer back in this thread where everyone whined that I didn't watch it and how it supported their story and now that I've watched it and posted stills from it it's magically "not clear", etc.
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I looked for those stills that you'd posted but couldn't find them.
Check out this original video that has the timer clock from the camera (in the lower right side). At 15:30:23 - it 'appears' that Loehmann is reaching forward and has his gun right up against Rice's belly, or within an inch or two of it. (gee, that close he could have clocked him on the head, shot him in the hand/arm, tackled him, or something)
Video Shows Cleveland Cop Shoot 12-Year-Old Tamir Rice Within Seconds - NBC News
From the Justice Dept. regarding the Investigation of the Cleveland Division of Police - (which had begun 3/2013 and was released 12/4/14 - it is the second time within a decade that the Justice Dept. has had to investigate the CDP because of serious allegations - it does not include the Rice shooting) ..
Page 4..
"I. SUMMARY OF FINDINGS
Our investigation concluded that there is reasonable cause to believe that CDP engages in a pattern or practice of using unreasonable force in violation of the Fourth Amendment. That pattern manifested in a range of ways, including:
The unnecessary and excessive use of deadly force, including shootings and head strikes with impact weapons;
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The employment of poor and dangerous tactics that place officers in situations where avoidable force becomes inevitable and places officers and civilians at unnecessary risk.
Officers may be required to use force during the course of their duties. However, the Constitution requires that officers use only that amount of force that is reasonable under the circumstances.
We found that CDP officers too often use unnecessary and unreasonable force in violation of the Constitution. Supervisors tolerate this behavior and, in some cases, endorse it. Officers report that they receive little supervision, guidance, and support from the Division, essentially leaving them to determine for themselves how to perform their difficult and dangerous jobs. The result is policing that is sometimes chaotic and dangerous; interferes with CDP’s ability to effectively fight crime; compromises officer safety; and frequently deprives individuals of their constitutional rights. Based on our investigation, we find that the Division engages in a pattern or practice of using excessive force in violation of the Fourth Amendment."
(emphasis mine)
http://www.justice.gov/sites/default...ngs_letter.pdf
I had only included a couple of snippets from that report, since it is 59 pages long - but it is well worth the read regarding their findings and the 'few of many' examples of excessive force that had been used-yikes. (note - neither I nor the Justice Dept. claims that
all of the CDP are the way they are portrayed in the report - but it does seem that there are a few)
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