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In which countries? And of those countries, what was the legal system response?
Predominantly in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
The current legal systems are almost powerless to enforce laws in some of the remote regions. Particulary in the border area between the two which are basically inaccessable to outsiders and pretty much beyond government control
I am baffled by many of the posts in this thread: Do most of you not know ANY mainstream Muslims? At work? Or school? Nice, decent, normal people? There are plenty out there--y'all need to get to know some of them. Seriously.
What would all of you strongly "anti-all Muslims" "get rid of 'em all" posters do with people like my friend: a Muslim, upper-middle class stay at home mom, British citizen, Pakistani parentage, here in the U.S. legally with her British citizen husband's job???
Oh, and I met her at the Christian church preschool where our children both attended.
Make some armchair public policy...
I asked similar questions earlier in the thread. Silence.
I don't have the answers, but I recognize that the questions are complex.
I know living in fear is not the answer.
I know abandoning deeply-held convictions about our country, and humanity, is not the answer.
I know, too, naivety and turning a blind eye is not that answer.
If we act from a place of fear, the terrorists have already won.
Great post, worth repeating. Could not rep you again.
I don't have the answers either, but I am on my way to work where I have Muslim coworkers. I know I am not blaming them for this. I also know they are going to have eyes on them as they walk past the National Guardsmen in the train stations, past the 9/11 Memorial, and into a WTC office.
The current legal systems are almost powerless to enforce laws in some of the remote regions. Particulary in the border area between the two which are basically inaccessable to outsiders and pretty much beyond government control
This is the answer you get. That they are powerless to enforce the laws....which does not actually address the question of IF they wish to enforce the law. Be careful of the double talk people.
One can't be intellectually honest about the situation if one insists on ignoring the common thread - ISLAM - which runs through so many organizations worldwide which support terrorism.
I know that moderate Muslims don't support terrorism, and are in fact the most likely victims OF terrorism. I have not once said, nor do I believe, that Islam = terrorism. But I'm not sticking my head in the PC sand and just ignoring the fact that there are very radical and violent groups of Muslims with a violent mix of philosophy, theology, and political goals who are very active, very well funded, and very determined to wreak as much havoc worldwide as possible. And they're doing a pretty good job of it.
Quick question. Have you read the Koran, or are you just relaying what you've been told by good people that you know? Be honest, please.
I can't speak for that person, but I'll speak for myself. I've read the Koran - it's not that long or difficult to read, though I admit that much of it is boring as heck.
It sounds a lot like the Old Testament to me. Too bad they missed out on the message of grace and forgiveness that the New Testament offers.
(The late) Tim McVeigh thought he was a true blue loyal American, too …
Yes, there is a minority of ANY group of people that do dangerous things and try to use *something* GOOD as a justification for their evil deeds ...
But in this recent case, there is indeed (in this very discussion thread) a horrible anti-Muslim bigotry asserting that "Radical Islam" is indeed TRUE Islam …
IT DOESN'T MATTER whether "radical Islam" is the "true Islam" when you're the target of a terrorist.
It doesn't matter to "radical Muslims" that other Muslims pray to the same God for that matter - if they don't adhere to the radical version of Islam, they're going to be mowed down along with everyone else.
The point is that the world is faced with a growing, and expanding, and very violent group of Muslims who are showing no signs of abating in their violence and goals of domination. I don't care whether they are "the true Islam" or not - my problem is with THEM - the radicals. I don't have a problem with my neighbor who owns the local convenience store or who is the manager at PetCo. I'm not eyeballing those guys or TPing their yard or crossing the street so I don't meet up with them. In fact, sometimes they are my guests in my house. I feel protective of them, and you know why? Because if ISIS came to these shores, they'd have their heads sawn off with pocket knives right alongside me - maybe even BEFORE me, because they're abhorrent Muslims to a radical Muslim.
The thing is, though, most of the Muslims I know who live around me (and we have a large local element of Muslims - we even have a large mosque and private school here), came to the US not to change the US, but to embrace the more liberal culture of the US. They didn't come here to establish a caliphate.
That being said, I do have to wonder why they continue to embrace Islam, when I read some of the Koran. What is this stuff about women, about infidels, etc? Do they pay any attention to those passages? Do they consider me an infidel? Because according to Islam - mainstream Islam - that's exactly what I am.
One thing we must do is stop being impatient with history, which always takes time whether we like it or not …
Another thing we must do is to stop imagining that everybody else is just like us or should be just like us and/or eventually WILL be just like us if only if only we can keep on keeping on exporting Western culture …
Another thing we must do is pay attention to the PAST in order to understand the PRESENT … The current situation did not just spring into being over night or only after the ouster of Saddam or the reestablishment of The State of Israel …
Another thing we must do is get used to the current situation as the new normal … and then deal with it ...
Islam has been around for over 1300 years. Islam is stuck in the Dark Ages in many parts of the world. Radical Islam has no respect or appreciation for western culture, the Renaissance, the Age of Reason, etc.
But you know what - if people want to embrace such a backwards mindset - in backwards countries - I feel sorry for their children but I guess that's their business. What is unacceptable to me is for them to refuse to assimilate when they come to western countries. If you want Sharia Law, move to a country that practices Sharia Law. Don't try to come to western countries and insist on immunity from Western law.
But in this recent case, there is indeed (in this very discussion thread) a horrible anti-Muslim bigotry asserting that "Radical Islam" is indeed TRUE Islam …
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