Does the future of Dallas look like Mexico City? (Houston: real estate, public school)

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by Mister Nifty

Anyway, all this substantiates why a massive migration will occur in the future along the border of the United States. Hispanics will not be fleeing to the north and Anglos to the south as Hispanic culture exists south towards Mexico and Anglo Culture exists towards the north. I base my opinion on this simple fact. As Houston is south of Dallas, Austin is north of San Antonio.
I'm not thinking in terms of making anyone do anything. I'm thinking about what people will do in order to be able to communicate with each other. Why learn English in Dallas - Fort Worth when one can move to Houston to speak Spanish as the dominate language? At the same time, this is reason why Anglos will be moving north so that they won't have to learn Spanish.

Because your logic defies reality. Why does Chicago have more Spanish speakers and more Mexicans than Houston? It does and thats undeniable. If what you are saying were true, no one coming across the border would venture past the Rio Grande Valley. We have been through this before. DFW is only an extra 80 miles from the Mexican border than Houston using the nearest roads and Austin is closer than Houston to the Mexican border. None of that makes any difference at all.

None of what you are saying is true in reality. In fact, DFW is attracting Latinos (illegal and legal) every bit as fast as Greater Houston.

Now, if you want to show me hard data (I dont mean assumptions, philosophies, or guesses, I mean actual numbers) that supports your claims, I will listen. But I have shown you data that shows the opposite is taking place. If you want to contradict me, thats fine, but back it up with something based in facts, not Philosophy.

In the end, I think what you are presenting is what you would like to see happen. It is very obvious that none of what you are saying is coming to pass at all and that is backed up by data. You seem to like the idea of a place where whites can go and live amongst their culture with little interference. A such place does exist. Its called North Dakota. You should have no problem up there.

Hate to tell you but Dallas is not that place and the data backs it up.

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by LAnative10

Because your logic defies reality. Why does Chicago have more Spanish speakers and more Mexicans than Houston? It does and thats undeniable. If what you are saying were true, no one coming across the border would venture past the Rio Grande Valley. We have been through this before. DFW is only an extra 80 miles from the Mexican border than Houston using the nearest roads and Austin is closer than Houston to the Mexican border. None of that makes any difference at all.

None of what you are saying is true in reality. In fact, DFW is attracting Latinos (illegal and legal) every bit as fast as Greater Houston.

Now, if you want to show me hard data (I dont mean assumptions, philosophies, or guesses, I mean actual numbers) that supports your claims, I will listen. But I have shown you data that shows the opposite is taking place. If you want to contradict me, thats fine, but back it up with something based in facts, not Philosophy.

In the end, I think what you are presenting is what you would like to see happen. It is very obvious that none of what you are saying is coming to pass at all and that is backed up by data. You seem to like the idea of a place where whites can go and live amongst their culture with little interference. A such place does exist. Its called North Dakota. You should have no problem up there.

Hate to tell you but Dallas is not that place and the data backs it up.

My ex is a Mexican Nation who now lives in Fort Worth. I asked her why she chose to remain living in Fort Worth rather than moving back to Houston. Her answer was "quality of customer service." See, it is hard to explain to a Hispanic person that their most important family members are the customers.
You know, we don't appreciate enough the Puritan obscession with cleanliness. And the "American work ethic" is a very tricky thing to understand but is one of the reasons our food is kept clean.
Do you know why this is? Tell me, with your sophisticated multi-cultural solutions, how do we go about preserving our food supply? What has been keeping it clean? Just how has the American work ethic been powering the world?
You know, I've seen it often, when Hispanic people have a scuffle, they don't work things out, but they call their families. This reduces down to neighborhoods and gangs. Yet, these people seem so friendly. But I've had insight into seeing that it is all just customary.

[DanielWayne]

Somebody needs their meds.

[Sandstorm214]

So, in a nutshell, all the Anglos in south Texas who wear their pants extra tight and don't open their legs to let people in are going to switch places with the Hispanic families (which are apparently the same thing as gangs based upon Mr. Nifty's delightful insights of formerly being married to a "Mexican Nation") in north Texas and enjoy clean food because Hispanics don't have clean food and bad customer service because they aren't Puritans like the people who settled the northeastern United States 300+ years ago? That is indeed interesting.

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by DanielWayne

I grew up as a minority among poor white people. The same sweeping generalizations I am reading about Mexicans can be found in my old neighborhood. It's not so much about race as it is income. If fact, the county adjacent to my home (Newton County, Tx) was recently the poorest in the state. Almost no Hispanics live there. You obviously have never been to a middle or upscale minority neighborhood in SA or Houston.

First off, who are you referring to? Second, who is making sweeping generalizations?
Funny, in order to do battle with the Sophists, Plato first had to teach the Greeks how to generalize. See, most knowledge existed as raw data back then because it didn't have any clear definition. Art ruled the day as filthy poetry and porn shows that were being performed out in the open in the streets.
To help fight against this lewdness, the ancient philosophers developed "Truth Engines" that input raw data into rational processes to narrow the knowledge down to the output of quality definitions.
Now, tell me, why should I trade this for a taco?

[DanielWayne]

Sweeping generalizations about cleanliness, work ethic, gangs, and subtle references to tacos. It should be obvious who this is directed to.

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by Sandstorm214

So, in a nutshell, all the Anglos in south Texas who wear their pants extra tight and don't open their legs to let people in are going to switch places with the Hispanic families (which are apparently the same thing as gangs based upon Mr. Nifty's delightful insights of formerly being married to a "Mexican Nation") in north Texas and enjoy clean food because Hispanics don't have clean food and bad customer service because they aren't Puritans like the people who settled the northeastern United States 300+ years ago? That is indeed interesting.

Okay, let's look at your ad hominem premise here.
1) You are intelligent.
2) I'm an idiot.

My character aside, my logic is sound:
1) As Houston is further south than Dallas - Fort Worth and is closer to the border of Mexico, Hispanic people will tend to migrate more to that metropolitan area while Anglos will move north more towards the base of their culture.
2) As Spanish is becoming the dominate language used in Houston, Hispanics will tend to desire to move and live in that metropolitan area rather than have to learn English living elsewhere. Likewise, in order to speak English, Anglos and African Americans living in the Houston area will move north.
As animals, we generally do what makes us happiest. As Anglos once moved out of the inner cities to live in the suburbs, now I can foresee them moving from the southern part of Texas to the northern part of the state. Later on, depending on whether or not Hispanics still multiply out of control or not, Anglos could migrate even further north up into Oklahoma and Arkansas.
There you go. This has nothing to do with good or bad or whatever. Either this will happen or it won't.

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by DanielWayne

Sweeping generalizations about cleanliness, work ethic, gangs, and subtle references to tacos. It should be obvious who this is directed to.

Excuse me, Daniel Wayne, but do you even know what I'm talking about in mentioning the "American work ethic?"
No, of course you don't.
My referencing a taco is in arguing that that is what a Mexican is. Nothing special. However, I am an American because of what has happened for thousands of years and this goes all the way back to ancient Greece.
Sorry, I'm not going to trade that for a taco. I ain't dancing just for the sake of dancing and multiplying myself mindlessly just for the sake of multiplying. As an American, when I dance and sing, I've got real reasons to celebrate.

[Sandstorm214]

I don't know why I'm responding, but anyhow:

1) As others have pointed out to you time and again, this is simply not based in reality. Both metropolitan areas have roughly the same Hispanic population and Dallas actually has far more foreign born Hispanics than Houston. The problem with your logic is that you assume that all Anglos share this fear of Hispanic overpopulation. This obviously is not the case since last time I checked Anglos are moving to Texas in droves from other parts of the country. Many people, like me, grew up in a place where Anglos were the minority and Hispanics the majority. I can assure you there is nothing to fear and you can live a great life in such an environment as an Anglo. I also ate clean food growing up and had nice customer service whenever I went shopping for pants.

2) I go to Houston at least twice a month for work. I have never had anyone speak Spanish to me in Houston and I have been in heavily Hispanic parts of Houston. I have conducted all of my business there in English (although I know enough Spanish to probably get by if I needed to). I do not believe that in my lifetime I will ever have to speak Spanish to conduct business in Houston or Dallas--it's just not going to happen. If you're worried about it, learn Spanish. It's nice to know a second language.

Anglos did move out to the suburbs but now many are moving back into the cities because they like the diversity and culture that is lacking in many suburbs. I think it's telling that you talk about Hispanics "multiplying" as if they are some sort of sub-species. The only Anglos that will move to Oklahoma or Arkansas are ones like you who apparently have concerns about Aryan/Anglo/Puritan/whatever dominance.

I never said or implied that you were not intelligent, either. I think you probably are smart, but just have some unrealistic ideas.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by Mister Nifty

My character aside, my logic is sound:
1) As Houston is further south than Dallas - Fort Worth and is closer to the border of Mexico, Hispanic people will tend to migrate more to that metropolitan area while Anglos will move north more towards the base of their culture.
2) As Spanish is becoming the dominate language used in Houston, Hispanics will tend to desire to move and live in that metropolitan area rather than have to learn English living elsewhere. Likewise, in order to speak English, Anglos and African Americans living in the Houston area will move north.
As animals, we generally do what makes us happiest. As Anglos once moved out of the inner cities to live in the suburbs, now I can foresee them moving from the southern part of Texas to the northern part of the state. Later on, depending on whether or not Hispanics still multiply out of control or not, Anglos could migrate even further north up into Oklahoma and Arkansas.
There you go. This has nothing to do with good or bad or whatever. Either this will happen or it won't.

Dude, this has been proven wrong time, time, and time again. If this is true (and I have asked you this before), why does Chicago have more Mexicans and Hispanics than Houston? Its not because minorities gravitate more toward larger cities because both Dallas and Houston (as cities and metro areas) are less white than Chicago by percentage.

It has been shown to you that DFW is as much a magnent for Hispanics as Metro Houston, yet you ignore it.

Here is another one for you. Why does San Diego have 1/7 the number of Hispanics as Los Angeles? San Diego is right on the border.