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The Libertarians only have 5 states where they even bother to hold primaries or voting at all. Their candidate is chosen by convention delegates also, not the vote. Where is the outrage over their selection process?
I'm not in favor of this particular way of choosing delegates, but I don't live in Colorado, so I have no business saying they should change their system. The Colorado Republican Party set this way of doing delegates up long before this election cycle.
Trump ignoring how it works, and then blasting the world with whiny tweets and during speeches after the fact, without having done anything to prevent all the delegates going to another candidate... is just... whining. Loud, pain in the butt, whining.
If you don't agree with it, and live in Colorado, go out and become active in the party and work to get it changed. Pretty much everyone who is an 'elite' in the party started out that way, and paid their dues to get where they are, but I'm sure newcomers who are willing to work towards change are welcome.
If you don't live in Colorado, you just don't get a say in how they do business. Bummer, but a fact of life.
This isn't about Colorado. What's happened in Colorado has impacted every American in our country. Nobody in Colorado was allowed to vote! Do you not understand that?
Most Americans are confused by what's happening. It impossible for anybody with a real life to know about and understand the archaic underhanded traps used by the GOP to push upon us a presidential candidate the GOP wants, and to force out a candidate the American people want.
This isn't about Colorado. What's happened in Colorado has impacted every American in our country. Nobody in Colorado was allowed to vote! Do you not understand that?
Most Americans are confused by what's happening. It impossible for anybody with a real life to know about and understand the archaic underhanded traps used by the GOP to push upon us a presidential candidate the GOP wants, and to force out a candidate the American people want.
No one in any caucus state is "allowed to vote" because caucuses are not primaries. At caucuses, you select delegates who go to state conventions (sometimes there are multiple layers, so you might select county delegates who then go through another convention, etc). You do not vote for a candidate.
If you want to rail against allowing any caucuses, have at it, I am not too thrilled with the caucus process in general. But it's been considered a valid process to select a state's delegates in many states for decades, maybe even centuries. Just because Trump didn't or couldn't figure out how it works doesn't change that.
This isn't about Colorado. What's happened in Colorado has impacted every American in our country. How? Nobody in Colorado was allowed to vote! Do you not understand that? Then Colorado Republicans should change their rules.
Most Americans are confused by what's happening.Sadly, this is probably true. It impossible for anybody with a real life to know about and understand the archaic underhanded traps used by the GOP No it's not. It's called a Civics class. Or just reading. to push upon us a presidential candidate the GOP wants,A party can nominate any candidate it wants, using whatever rules it chooses. and to force out a candidate a vocal minority of the American people want but the party itself does not. As is their right..
Now don't get me wrong, I think the Colorado GOP shouldn't do it this way, but it's their right to do so.
This isn't about Colorado. What's happened in Colorado has impacted every American in our country. Nobody in Colorado was allowed to vote! Do you not understand that?
It's a party primary. Colorado's primary rules only affect that party's primary voters. No one else. You don't have a constitutional right to vote in a primary, anymore than you have the constitutional right to vote at a Kiwanis meeting, and for the same reason - a political party is a private organization.
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Originally Posted by Javacoffee
Most Americans are confused by what's happening. It impossible for anybody with a real life to know about and understand the archaic underhanded traps used by the GOP to push upon us a presidential candidate the GOP wants, and to force out a candidate the American people want.
The overwhelming majority of party activists are volunteers, they do indeed have real lives away from the party. They think electoral politics is important, so they make the time to be actively involved whether there is an imminent primary or general election or not. You are obviously not one of those people.
If you were involved on an ongoing basis, you might like the outcome better. Just sayin'.
Yes, you are. It costs money to run for office, even at the lowest level. That money has to come from somewhere.
Again, we are not a democracy, by the design established in the constitution we are a democratic republic.
1. Your first sentence could read "It costs money to buy an office" and mean exactly the same thing.
<I have always wondered why someone in a Capitalist society would buy a public office without expecting a good return on his money? My answer is always the same: HE WOULDN'T!>
2. Yes, I know we are not in a democracy and I wish politicians would stop yammering about how we ARE.
Krauthammer: “If you can’t handle the Colorado delegate selection process, how are you going to handle the Chinese?”
He has a valid point.
So Trumpie is all over the webz whining about losing the Colorado delegates, but, as Krauthammer also rightly points out, everyone had the rules for quite a while.
Orange man continues to show why he is emotionally and intellectually unqualified for the presidency.
"But, he noted, when Trump won 47 percent of the votes in Florida and received 100 percent of the state’s delegates, “I didn’t hear anybody [in his campaign] complaining about unfairness. The fact is, we have a complicated legacy system — a century ago, party bosses chose the delegates, and since 1968, each state has done it a different way.”"
that's weird, I wasn't trying to quote you. Same thing happened on another thread in a different subforum, must be a CD hiccup.
But in any case, please ignore that I quoted you, I don't even remember which post I was trying to specifically respond to so I deleted the quote. The general principle remains as a response to many of the posts on this thread. The method selected by the state party is unusual but they had their reasons and it was approved by the national party. And no ever gets to "vote" in a Colorado caucus anyway.
If he, of all people, thought there was something wrong with it, he was in a position to do something about it but chose not to. Don't tell me he didn't know, he is part of the party elite in that state. Where was his outcry back when this got proposed and then again when it got passed? That's right, not a peep. What a load of crap.
For me it's not about him. It's about bringing down the party insiders. They seem perfectly content to destroy themselves. There are now a large group of GOP voters that will not be voting GOP come November.
There is a large number of (D)'s that will not vote for Hillary also.
Makes me happy in the end even if the insiders see this as winning a battle. They are losing the war.
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Krauthammer: “If you can’t handle the Colorado delegate selection process, how are you going to handle the Chinese?”
