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Old 05-04-2014, 06:55 AM
 
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Old 05-04-2014, 07:04 AM
 
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:11 AM
 
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Ukraine Crisis Today: Democracy caught on camera (this will never be shown on mainstream media)

Fascism in Ukraine


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKuDzXAgdf4
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:55 AM
 
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From maps and news it seems that Russians have brought up just two dozens of armoured and mechanised battaillons, too few to mount any serious threat to Eastern Ukraine.
Plus, all rumours about Russians threatening Ukraine from Belarus are quite stupid considering that, like at the end of February, it's a training with Belorussian Army and it was notified to NATO leaders.
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:07 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Ukraine Crisis Today: Democracy caught on camera (this will never be shown on mainstream media)

Fascism in Ukraine


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKuDzXAgdf4
That's because its propaganda. Do you see the blood over the guy's head, the Nazi flag on the right, the Statue of Liberty crying? That's not even an attempt at fair reporting, that's propaganda.

Atai - do you really believe all this stuff you been posting? Things about Ukraine building concentration camps in eastern Ukraine and now orders written on checklists to shoot women? Do you understand how incredibly stupid it would be for the Ukrainians (or anyone for that matter) to do something like that?

The internet is full of bs propaganda trying to convince people of one thing or another. Stop posting every video you see online and instead ask does this make any sense? Would the Ukrainians really do something like this? Would Russia or Europe or the USA really do something like this?

Otherwise we are going eventually to see videos that Kiev is really controlled by Communist Space Monkey Nazis from the Imperial Fascist Space Empire getting ready to invade Earth!
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:40 AM
 
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That's because its propaganda. Do you see the blood over the guy's head, the Nazi flag on the right, the Statue of Liberty crying? That's not even an attempt at fair reporting, that's propaganda.

Atai - do you really believe all this stuff you been posting? Things about Ukraine building concentration camps in eastern Ukraine and now orders written on checklists to shoot women? Do you understand how incredibly stupid it would be for the Ukrainians (or anyone for that matter) to do something like that?

The internet is full of bs propaganda trying to convince people of one thing or another. Stop posting every video you see online and instead ask does this make any sense? Would the Ukrainians really do something like this? Would Russia or Europe or the USA really do something like this?

Otherwise we are going eventually to see videos that Kiev is really controlled by Communist Space Monkey Nazis from the Imperial Fascist Space Empire getting ready to invade Earth!
Yes, I believe it, because RS and ukrainian nationalists are speaking like fascists and acting like fascists. I saw many posts on ukrainian forums full of hate to russians, they are very happy of what happened in Odessa. I don't want to convince you, I want to give you an information.
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:42 AM
 
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That's because its propaganda. Do you see the blood over the guy's head, the Nazi flag on the right, the Statue of Liberty crying? That's not even an attempt at fair reporting, that's propaganda. Atai - do you really believe all this stuff you been posting? Things about Ukraine building concentration camps in eastern Ukraine and now orders written on checklists to shoot women? Do you understand how incredibly stupid it would be for the Ukrainians (or anyone for that matter) to do something like that?

The internet is full of bs propaganda trying to convince people of one thing or another. Stop posting every video you see online and instead ask does this make any sense? Would the Ukrainians really do something like this? Would Russia or Europe or the USA really do something like this?

"Something like this" what? Did you actually care to watch the video ( other than the first picture) before making your comments? Do you think that the marches depicted there are somehow staged "by Russians" with the purpose of "propaganda?" Do you think that they are showing the the "fake" footage of events?

It's not our fault that you are in denial, keeping insisting "it isn't happening, because the West wouldn't allow it to happen, because the West is good." It's happening and the West is quietly accepting it.
And yes, this is the questionnaire of "psychological preparedness test" for Ukrainian soldiers, recruited to be sent to the East, with a question whether they are ready to shoot civil population, women including. If western media is not reporting on this, it doesn't mean it's not happening.

I had to look up the exact question on the questionnaire and sure enough that's what it says "will you be ready, if blocked, to open fire on strangers that show up, women including?" Or "are you ready to open fire if separatists are using women and children as shield?"
"How sure are you that you will not betray Ukrainian people?"

http://russian.rt.com/article/30534

So Atai is posting the right material - I see most of it on some of the sites I'm following.
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:44 AM
 
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"Something like this" what? Did you actually care to watch the video ( other than the first picture) before making your comments? Do you think that the marches depicted there are somehow staged "by Russians" with the purpose of "propaganda?" Do you think that they are showing the the "fake" footage of events?

It's not our fault that you are in denial, keeping insisting "it isn't happening, because the West wouldn't allow it to happen, because the West is good." It's happening and the West is quietly accepting it.
And yes, this is the questionnaire of "psychological preparedness test" for Ukrainian soldiers, recruited to be sent to the East, with a question whether they are ready to shoot civil population, women including. If western media is not reporting on this, it doesn't mean it's not happening.

I had to look up the exact question on the questionnaire and sure enough that's what it says "will you be ready, if blocked, to open fire on strangers that show up, women including?" Or "are you ready to open fire if separatists are using women and children as shield?"
"How sure are you that you will not betray Ukrainian people?"

http://russian.rt.com/article/30534

So Atai is posting the right material - I see most of it on some of the sites I'm following.
Ever think that might be part of the problem?
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:49 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Yes, I believe it, because RS and ukrainian nationalists are speaking like fascists and acting like fascists. I saw many posts on ukrainian forums full of hate to russians, they are very happy of what happened in Odessa. I don't want to convince you, I want to give you an information.
That may or may not be. Who knows, there are millions of people involved so I am sure there are a lot of bad things going on from both sides. But that does not mean everyone in Ukraine is a fascist or every Russian is trying to attack Ukraine.

So what I am saying is simply do not believe everything you see or read on this issue. Think for yourself, does this video or news make sense logically?
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:50 AM
 
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Ever think that might be part of the problem?
Part of your problem - may be, since your sources of information are very limited, apparently, tailored to your own beliefs. But me - I get my information from different sources - English-speaking and Russian-speaking of all kind, and get a more objective picture. And this picture is not as rosy as yours - I can tell you that much.
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