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And vice versa how many times? Stop playing the victim. Russia has invaded already my country some 20 times.
I not playing the victim at all, quite the opposite, making the point it is a ridiculous statement all around. A post going on about Russia's attacks, yet leaves out Europe's invasions all together, as if it never happened.
Same with the "atrocities" argument, as if Europe ever had a peaceful period until recently, they act like the Warsaw Pact and USSR disrupted some utopia, when inf act Europe was at an almost constant state of war for centuries, if not ever since humans were present.
Finland was part of Sweden for how long? Many of those wars happen to be between Russia and Sweden; and how did Finland come to be formed? Sure was not due on part of Sweden. Finland can basically owe its existence to that of Russia, since it was Russia that established Finland's autonomy, which led to nationalism and eventually a Finnish state. Who knows if Sweden would have ever allowed this, or what cost it would have been. But this is not the point, point is I never see someone on here going on and on about the Swedish occupation of Finland, nor the numerous wars Sweden had in trying to expand and/or maintain its kingdom.
As a note, I love Finland, visited a few times, but would love to have an extended stay there.
- people were allowed and encouraged to vote multiple times
- some people had to vote right on the barricades next to heavily armed thugs
- the vote took only place in 14 towns, representing only half of the people living in the Donbass region
- no observers
there were actually several "observers"* who bloked people from going to vote
I not playing the victim at all, quite the opposite, making the point it is a ridiculous statement all around. A post going on about Russia's attacks, yet leaves out Europe's invasions all together, as if it never happened.
Europe hasn't ever attacked Russia as a collective. And the attacks by European nations other than Sweden and Poland are very few.
Europe hasn't ever attacked Russia as a collective. And the attacks by European nations other than Sweden and Poland are very few.
Few but devastating. You have France in 1812, then let us not forget operation Barbarossa which included seven European countries. Then there are the other little scuffles that went on.
But point is; there is all of these comments about "Russia this, Russia that", yet forget that many countries in Europe are guilty of the same thing. That does not make what Russia does right, but the accusation as yet another way to criticize is a bit ridiculous. Same with the "atrocities" in E. Europe, as if E. Europe was a utopia to begin with, some people act like they have no knowledge of any history fo the places they are talking about. There were plenty of atrocities in E. Europe and Europe in general long ebfore the USSR was a thought. Also, the constant obtuse attitude that everyone in E. Europe was a victim, when in fact many of their own people were full supporters of the communist regimes.
Sweet punch with the rifle's butt at the beginning (0:22).
Of course, hitting civilians is always great, right? I am sure though you were the first to cry when the Maiden protesters were being hit and shot. Double standards? Of course you have. This is why your argument lacks, you ahve one set of standards for one party, another set of standards for another; you have no moral compass, just ideological interests that guide you.
Amazing, the support of hostility against people voting, but of course this is what the new Kiev gov is all about, not voting, that is how the new gov got into power, not by the vote but by force.
That's what everybody was waiting for to begin with... Just a matter of time. The recognition of the referendum by Russia was the first step.
They should intervene, just as NATO intervened in Serbia. Kiev is using military force agaisnt peaceful voters, Russia should do what the West does, launch a "peacekeeping" operation, and then secure the independence of the area. Sounds familar? Yes it does, that is taken from the Kosovo playbook.
But it is only right when the West does it, correct?
Of course, hitting civilians is always great, right? I am sure though you were the first to cry when the Maiden protesters were being hit and shot. Double standards? Of course you have. This is why your argument lacks, you ahve one set of standards for one party, another set of standards for another; you have no moral compass, just ideological interests that guide you.
Amazing, the support of hostility against people voting, but of course this is what the new Kiev gov is all about, not voting, that is how the new gov got into power, not by the vote but by force.
To be honest, I don't really give a **** about the whole situation anymore and just hope that the civil war isn't going to get too bloody.
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