Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Whao..hey lots of countries around there are taking care of business as the crisis unfolds. 'Business' that's been around since WWI and never got solved! Another thing for Ukraine to think about with her minorities. Any bets the Hungarians there would like to go the Russian 'side'????? There's lots of water under that bridge. And this crises brings everything out of the woodwork that has been on hold for generations.
Quote:
Article 5 of the Constitution of Ukraine: "The Bearer of sovereignty and the
only source of power in Ukraine is the people. The people exercise power
directly and through bodies of state power and bodies of local self-government.
The right to determine and change the constitutional order in Ukraine belongs
exclusively to the people and may not be usurped by the state, its agencies or
officials"
Please email to Mr. Putin and the Kremlin. They seem to ignore this and have an aversion for voting unless its their 'own'. NOT the way to run a government. Bad for the digestion, bad for Ukraine. Russia keeps punching even after the bell rings! And I'd just add a little addition to the sentence...'The right to determine and chnage the constitutional order in Ukraine 'belongs exclusively to the people and may not be usurped by the state, its agencies or officials or... of those who reside in the historical Ruthenian longitude and latitudes'. Being the world's largest country does not give carte blanche permission to interfere in the activities of a sovereign state.
A typical anti-American trash post ... how much does the Kremlin pay you per post? That article is even more delusional than an Alex Jones talkshow.
Tell me ... why should we tolerate RUSSIAN IMPERIALISM? You go on and on about the evil Americans but apparently it's ok when the Russians invade and take away pieces of another nation?
Want to talk about "fascists"? Well the biggest fascist currently around is VLAD PUTIN
You live on the other side of the Earth. Why are you so worried about Russian imperialism?
You live on the other side of the Earth. Why are you so worried about Russian imperialism?
Its not really being afraid of Russia or Russian imperialism, Russia has been one of the "good guys" many times in history. Its the idea of empires conquering and annexing other countries in general.
I think its more that the United States (and even more so the Europeans) learned a lesson from WW2. Back then the USA did nothing when Nazi Germany annexed or invaded Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Yugoslavia, Greece etc. We even did nothing when the Nazis overran France and bombed the cities of our British cousins.
We did nothing when Fascist Italy invade Ethiopia and Albania. And at first we did nothing when Imperial Japan invaded China. It was not our problem, these countries were on the other side of the earth and the USA like most neutrals thought they could stay out of it.
Except that many neutrals found out the hard way that the Axis had no intention of letting them stay out of it. Countries like the USA, the Soviet Union, the Scandinavians, the Low Countries, the Balkans, Latin America; all thought they could stay out of it until they were attacked one by one.
Think of how many lives could have been saved if the whole world had stood by Poland in 1939 - not just the British, the French and their empires but America, Russia, the whole of Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America, had stood up against the Nazis together.
I could put my balaklava and Right Sektor armband on and shout "provocator, fascist, terrorist, referendum, Donetsk Junta" and other classic warcries.
I am not sure what "International conference" you were talking about, but once I saw Starikov's name, I could understand right away why you were about to hit the ceiling.
You need to understand, that listening to certain American "intellectuals," like, say, Rush Limbaugh, or Glenn Beck, or the "Tea Party"people, you'd be ready to hit the ceiling as well, BUT... big "but" here, is that these people do not represent ALL of the US and so on. They are counter-balanced by different train of thought internally, so the problem takes care of itself so to speak, and international audience has nothing to fear ( or to know) who these people are.
Likewise, Russian political scene consists of different figures who promote different train of thought and have different types of people who support them.
As you've probably know, historically Russian intellectuals had a split between them, being divided into the "Slavophiles" and "Westernizers."
This split never really went away and given a chance, it popped on a surface yet again after the Soviet era. So Starikov ( and those with him) usually represent different brands of Slavophilism; Putin let them *** all they want, since he sees them as rather beneficial ( for his purpose) crowd, yet make no mistake - Putin ( and those who surround him) are NOT from the same mold.
The tricky part in this situation ( or rather a real problem) is that the "Westernizers," - well the best part of them, who were supposed to counter-balance the likes of Starikov, were effectively taken out of business and lost any say in the society as direct consequences of American policies promoted in Russia in the nineties. So you see what you see now - the "Westernizers" Putins' style ( rejected by the West,) and "Slavophiles" of all kinds, ranging from Russian nationalists to Starikov-Kurginyan types of "great gurus and prophets."
As for the "Westernizers" - some of them quietly accepted Putin out of necessity, and some of them are in bitter opposition to him.
So we've got what we've got for now.
Because it upsets the world order of peace and stability that came with the fall of the USSR in 1991.
1. Supports military coups in Ukraine - is to support stability?
2. Destruction of Yugoslavia - is to support stability?
3. NATO military base at the Russian border - is to support stability?
It seems that we have a different understanding of stability.
I think its more that the United States (and even more so the Europeans) learned a lesson from WW2. Back then the USA did nothing when Nazi Germany annexed or invaded Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Yugoslavia, Greece etc. We even did nothing when the Nazis overran France and bombed the cities of our British cousins.
Stalingrad in 1942.
Do you think that Russians want a repeat of a similar war? This is nonsense.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
