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Old 05-20-2014, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Did Pilger just refer to Chavez and Castro as democrats?
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Old 05-20-2014, 05:26 AM
 
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US government means well, after all they say so all the time. The scary thing is that they are - most of them - probably quite sincere in this narcissistic delusion. The elites in Washington are not as much evil (there is a bit of that), as they completely lack experience. They misunderstand history, they live in clichés, they like to argue with slogans. So "bombing" other people for freedom are just words they throw around. Any rival is always demonized, any lie will do.

The media mostly acts to elaborate on existing stereotypes, otherwise people simply couldn't grasp what is going on. It is the lazy leading the ignorant. As long as the good fortune and wealth lasts, it is an amusing spectacle. But what if one day the goodies are gone?

These elites lack real experiences with life. Their education is based on simplistic good-bad formulas, with a heavy doses of myths. Their understanding of other people's history is dismal. They think WWII was won by US invasion of Normandy and fought over Holocaust. They don't get other people because they simply don't get complexity, nuance, local histories. They still don't understand the concept of "ethnic" identity. So they break stuff and retreat to their ignorance.

There is also the acquisitive angle: give us your resources, buy our stuff, borrow and pay us back, after all US is primarily a business. There are too many around the world who dream of getting something from the benevolent Americans, and some do. Enough to keep this latter day cargo cult going. In Ukraine this mindless US approach hit a wall, so they are angry. When people with no real experiences and a great sense of self-worth and entitlement get angry, it can be scary. But I still think at the end they will pull back, they have a short attention span and there are other, easier places to liberate and plunder.
  • @ viribusunitis : yes, that's a blunder. However read this piece (above). It says all.
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Old 05-20-2014, 07:46 AM
 
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May 11, 2014 in Kiev airport in secrecy mode plane arrived, which was met by soldiers instead of the airport staff. From the aircraft were unloaded containers with chemical weapons. On the plane were fighters Nazi organization Right sector, representatives of the Polish private military company Asbsothajo and CIA representative Richard Michael. Besides cargo consisted of military equipment, NATO sample form, and 500 packages of amphetamines.

By order of the Security Service of Ukraine containers with chemical weapons and militants who arrived did not pass customs. Then the militants and CIA official left in an unknown direction.

Maybe it's part of a secret U.S. operation with the aim of provocations against Russian Federation and fighters of the South-East of Ukraine.

Now we are waiting for the mass murder of civilians by militants Right sector with use of chemical weapons.
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Old 05-20-2014, 11:56 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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May 11, 2014 in Kiev airport in secrecy mode plane arrived, which was met by soldiers instead of the airport staff. From the aircraft were unloaded containers with chemical weapons. On the plane were fighters Nazi organization Right sector, representatives of the Polish private military company Asbsothajo and CIA representative Richard Michael. Besides cargo consisted of military equipment, NATO sample form, and 500 packages of amphetamines.

By order of the Security Service of Ukraine containers with chemical weapons and militants who arrived did not pass customs. Then the militants and CIA official left in an unknown direction.

Maybe it's part of a secret U.S. operation with the aim of provocations against Russian Federation and fighters of the South-East of Ukraine.

Now we are waiting for the mass murder of civilians by militants Right sector with use of chemical weapons.
This is absurd, where do you hear this? From the Russian version of Alex Jones?

Nazis? Seriously dude, this isent 1945 anymore ... the only aggressors these days come from the Russian military infringing on Ukrainian sovereignty.
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Old 05-20-2014, 01:12 PM
 
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Default Victory of democracy in Kiev


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Old 05-20-2014, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Russia
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"Events in Ukraine will lead to tension and victims as in Yugoslavia. Necessary to protect the rights of Russian in Crimea, Kharkov and Donbas, they should not be Ukrainian" (с)Eduard Limonov, 1992.

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Old 05-20-2014, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Russia
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This is absurd, where do you hear this? From the Russian version of Alex Jones?

Nazis? Seriously dude, this isent 1945 anymore ... the only aggressors these days come from the Russian military infringing on Ukrainian sovereignty.
Read about the events in Odessa.
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Old 05-21-2014, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Russia
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In Dnepropetrovsk armed men burned the house of former presidential candidate Oleg Tsereva (Russian language):

https://www.facebook.com/TsarovOleg?fref=nf
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Old 05-21-2014, 01:42 AM
 
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the only aggressors these days come from the Russian military infringing on Ukrainian sovereignty.

Which "sovereignty"? Today's Ukraine has the same borders as the former Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine, a model of democracy , I guess in your opinion (laughing). Today's Ukraine has been created by Stalin and Kruschev - and now the Putsch government in Kiew is following suit, with the help of the Western neocons . I don't see much "democracy" here. Who has decided that those artificial administrative borders had to become the international borders of Ukraine for eternity ? God ? (ROLF)
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Old 05-21-2014, 03:29 AM
 
Location: Estonia
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the only aggressors these days come from the Russian military infringing on Ukrainian sovereignty.

Which "sovereignty"? Today's Ukraine has the same borders as the former Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine, a model of democracy , I guess in your opinion (laughing). Today's Ukraine has been created by Stalin and Kruschev - and now the Putsch government in Kiew is following suit, with the help of the Western neocons . I don't see much "democracy" here. Who has decided that those artificial administrative borders had to become the international borders of Ukraine for eternity ? God ? (ROLF)
Russia itself did as did USA and UK, France and China.
Budapest Memorandum:
According to the memorandum, Russia, the U.S., and the UK confirmed, in recognition of Ukraine becoming party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and in effect abandoning its nuclear arsenal to Russia, that they would:

Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders.
Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.
Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.
Seek United Nations Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine.
Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine.
Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments.

Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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