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Old 06-18-2014, 07:14 AM
 
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And let us recall Kosovo!

We can't discuss with someone like "Streetway" , which use syllogisms and paralogic constantly ("if it is written on a sheet of paper, than it must be true", "we expelled violently the German population after WW2, I don't say its good, but the same thing must be done to the population of the Donetsk" etc etc), probably he is one of these people who jerked off in his pants when he watched live on TV the bombings of Belgrade;a hopeless case.
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Old 06-18-2014, 10:21 AM
 
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"GENEVA — Hundreds of people have been killed and thousands have fled their homes amid rising violence, insecurity and crime in areas of eastern Ukraine that are under the control of pro-Russian armed groups, the United Nations said on Wednesday."



http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/wo...aine.html?_r=0



Amazing.
Not a word about the victims of Ukrainian army bombardment, not a word about the refugees running in thousands to Russia ( instead of the "freedom-loving" West of the country) - it's all the "separatists" that do all the "killing, abducting, "ill-treatment"
Simply amazing.

“They are mostly concerned about security: people report staying in cellars to keep away from the fighting, facing harassment at checkpoints and fearing the increasingly common abductions, threats and extortion,” the monitors reported."

Right. People report "staying in cellars" because they want to avoid "facing harassment at checkpoints," not because they are hiding from bombing of Kiev's government - that must be it.
Simply amazing.

P.S. Ah, I've just noticed - it's the New York Times, where the previous chief editor has been fired.
That explains a thing or two.
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Old 06-18-2014, 10:27 AM
 
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Ukrainians have right for self-determination and they used this right, built its own country that has internationally accepted and recognized borders. Just because you don't like it ? Your problem.
Who told you that those "internationally-accepted and recognized borders" are going to remain the same for the rest of history? Events are progressing, the circumstances change. And if you don't like it - that's your problem.
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:35 AM
 
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A little humor. In Russia people continue to admire Psaki and dedicate songs to her. Psaki most beautiful, intelligent and competent woman!
(Russian language).

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Old 06-18-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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are going to remain the same for the rest of history? Events are progressing, the circumstances change.
I doubt very much that there is any reason to change these borders. The combatants are active only in two regions in the East, in the other two or three regions they don't active at all. And even in these two Eastern regions there are no evidence that they really represent the needs of the people. Cultural differences exist, but not so large. No reasons to disband the country. In economics - yes, they exists, but I doubt that combatants have any program and a non-recognized state is not a good option.

It doesn't look as helping a neighbor, it looks like being angry that your neighbor made a move, you don't like, so you sh*t in his backyard. Poor people in that region are just kind of instrument in that dirty gamble. Perhaps, the combatants just daunted them. Or it was TV that daunted them. And certainly the army of our neighbor is very unprofessional. The more conflict longs, the more dead people there will be. Combatants should cease from strife, if the really care about the people.

Besides, it's not very fair to propose to change borders, while staying in the other side of Atlantic Ocean. Here, we all live on one continent. And we all need peace here. You insist on things that won't bring peace.
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Old 06-18-2014, 01:09 PM
 
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Besides, it's not very fair to propose to change borders, while staying in the other side of Atlantic Ocean.
I can say the same thing, not from the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. Changing borders inevitable.

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No reasons to disband the country.
Civil war is always changing the country.

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Perhaps, the combatants just daunted them ... Combatants should cease from strife, if the really care about the people.
Combatants? Residents Slavyansk: "We will not go away!":


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Old 06-18-2014, 01:37 PM
 
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Such shrapnel shoots the Ukrainian army on the residents of Slavyansk.
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:00 PM
 
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@ streetway : I can only advise you to read Primo Levi, who refused although he was a former concentration camp inmate , to use against the nazis the same method they used , because as he put it "it would have been their final victory".
And about the German expellees, when you say "Potsdam agreement" (a sheet of paper), I understand "nemesis" or "vae victis". In other words despite our so called progress , humans didnt change since Roman times. Always believing that the others (here the "Russians") are the "savages" and us (the holier-than-thou Europeans) are "virtuous". Once again your way of thinking is wrong, and if all the Slowaks think like that, Slowakia shouldn't be a member of the EU, which (officially at least) is founded on human values.
Majority of Russians have always been savages that's not a newsflash for anyone who experienced their invasions, raping and stealing.
Advocating Russian aggressive and expansive policy against its neighbors is against the principles which the EU is built on. I think Slovakia is one of the few countries in the EU which represents the EU ideas and principles especially when it comes to recognition of Kosovo and of course we from our nature and with repspect to our historical Russian experience are against similar behavior Russians displaying.
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:10 PM
 
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Slovakia? Where is it?

:-D
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:12 PM
 
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Majority of Russians have always been savages that's not a newsflash for anyone who experienced their invasions, raping and stealing.
You must bring proof of your words.
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