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Old 06-18-2014, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Slovakia
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It is Russian land with russian people, russian plants, factories and values. After th last events they could go anywhere they want, we didn't come to them to kill civil people, they did and they can't be our country anymore. Army can shoot its citizens only once, next time they will have to shoot in a foreign nation
No it's Ukrainian land and people who live there have to obey Ukrainian laws, If you don't like it you can always leave or of course you can turn to the International criminal court, but since Russians fake the images and videos (in very awkward way) it's not likely to end up in Russian favor . Military conflict will destroy Russian colony in Ukraine there is no way Russians can win this conflict.
Ukrainians suffered enough from Russian cruelty and invasions over the past 100 years, whole world didn't do anything back then but now it's time to change this Russian pathologically aggressive pattern.
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Russia
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No it's Ukrainian land and people who live there have to obey Ukrainian laws, If you don't like it you can always leave or of course you can turn to the International criminal court, but since Russians fake the images and videos (in very awkward way) it's not likely to end up in Russian favor . Military conflict will destroy Russian colony in Ukraine there is no way Russians can win this conflict.
Ukrainians suffered enough from Russian cruelty and invasions over the past 100 years, whole world didn't do anything back then but now it's time to change this Russian pathologically aggressive pattern.
Learn the history of relations between Ukraine and Russia, and do not write crazy nonsense.
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:27 PM
 
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Majority of Russians have always been savages that's not a newsflash for anyone who experienced their invasions, raping and stealing.
Advocating Russian aggressive and expansive policy against its neighbors is against the principles which the EU is built on. I think Slovakia is one of the few countries in the EU which represents the EU ideas and principles especially when it comes to recognition of Kosovo and of course we from our nature and with repspect to our historical Russian experience are against similar behavior Russians displaying.
What is it - EU ideas? When people are upset of prohibition of gay propaganda in Russia and very happy to watch civilians die in Donbass. Oh yeah, that are humane EU ideas!
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Russia
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What is it - EU ideas? When people are upset of prohibition of gay propaganda in Russia and very happy to watch civilians die in Donbass. Oh yeah, that are humane EU ideas!
Unfortunately, it's true. West supports punitive operation in the Donbass, where the number of victims is not less than a few thousand. Nobody condemns, all support the government of Ukraine.

(this, of course, talking about politicians)

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Old 06-19-2014, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Wedding in Donetsk. Life goes on.

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Old 06-19-2014, 01:26 AM
 
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Old 06-19-2014, 02:39 AM
 
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I'm slowly getting weary of maverick Finns and Slowacks sentenciously explaining to me that Russians are "barbarians".
Has anybody heard of a Finn/Slowak Tchekov, Tolstoi, Dostoievsky,Eisenstein , Gorky , of a Finn/slowak Ermitage palace, or of a Finn/slowak Gagarin, of a Finn/Slowak Prince Bagration (who defeated the Napoleonic invader) etc . And if streetway had some knowledge in History, he would know that the Czechs meddled too in Russian affairs, in 1918-20 the Czech Legion was guarding the Transsiberian and in a breach of their own pledges, they delivered Admiral Koltchak that they had to protect to the Red Army who shot him. I call that traitors.
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Old 06-19-2014, 03:37 AM
 
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We have a great culture. But nowadays we are fuelling the conflict that without our intervention would have been less bloody. The Eastern regions of our neighbor have been always different from Western and Central. But nobody there fought for separation before this year.

Why nobody fought for separation all those years of independence, at least didn't really fight, with the arms, not with the words? Because we didn't fuel that conflict before.

Our role in this conflict is a bad one.

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I am proud of my culture and feel no longing to mock our neighbors in "which culture is greater". That's a bad taste and nothing more. Besides, we are discussing here not culture, but politics.
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Old 06-19-2014, 03:56 AM
 
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Besides, we are discussing here not culture, but politics.
That's precisely the point : we have confronted in the West with a new generation of politicians, and of media ass-lickers, who are completely "uncultured" (not "kulturny"). Maybe in Russia too, I don't know. Politicians who have no experience of world wars or of the Cold War. Complacent, entitled, full of themselves , often corrupt and ignorant. Culture (or the lack of ...) is at the center of the political game. To deny it is absurd.

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Old 06-19-2014, 04:06 AM
 
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Yes, I don't understand why she is still in office. But the position of Germany is quite well-balanced. The position of Czech Republic (at least of the president) is as neutral as possible, taking into consideration our complex history.

We live in one continent. We do business with Europe. German companies still want to work here. I believe we don't need that conflict. And the combatants are just brainwashed people. It doesn't mean that there are no economic problems or small cultural difference. But I insist on that these combatants can't bring anything good.
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