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The same, we have the right for self-defence from Nazis. Or maybe hey will deport 7 million people (I am talking only about Novorossia and don't count people from Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa and Kharkov regions)? Do you actually know what is going on? I don't think so and your words about deportation sound absourd. Before they started to kill us we wanted only self-determination and we used this right, is it our fault that some big guys can accept using only those rights which will bring profit to them?
Russians can't use self-determination again as far as there already is Russian nation.
well, talk for you (who apparently dream of ethnic cleansing for all Russian people), I do care for the Russian people.
Russian people ethnically cleansed or prepared ethnical cleanse multiple times in history why do you actually hate it when it comes to you ?
But my proposal isn't cleansing at all, you can stay, but accept Ukrainian rules and laws, or you have to leave.
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I don't see it as an very strange thing, ve expelled Germans similar way. history repeats itself again and this aggression will eventually end in Russian exodus.
Now you have the pluck to say that you are proud of the ethnic cleansing of the whole 2 million German population from Czechoslowakia (herded on cattle cars, many of them left to die of hunger and thirst on abandoned train tracks ) in the aftermath of WWII. It's seems for you right to retaliate on families, women, old people , children for the crimes the 3rd Reich did in their names.
I'm on a public forum here, so I'll refrain from calling you "names". But seeing you are from Slowakia, I'm not surprised at what is happening in nearby Ukraine if this train of thought is prevalent in Eastern Europe, nearly 70 years after the end of WWII (see, I'm not defending "the Russians" only). I don't actually believe I'll be able to change your barbaric ideas, because you seem hopeless , but I advise you to read some books of Primo Levy or Wassili Grossmann. VENGEANCE IS NEVER A SOLUTION!
The same with Ukraine, so why they can and we don't?
Where did I say that Ukraine is about to use self-determination ? I am saying that if you don't like Ukraine you can't just cut out a piece of their land and connect it to the Russia.
You have only two options you etheir accept Ukrainian laws and rules or you leave the country.
You can't self-determine Russian nation again, you can't create a "new Russia"
I don't see it as an very strange thing, ve expelled Germans similar way. history repeats itself again and this aggression will eventually end in Russian exodus.
Now you have the pluck to say that you are proud of the ethnic cleansing of the whole 2 million German population from Czechoslowakia (herded on cattle cars, many of them left to die of hunger and thirst on abandoned train tracks ) in the aftermath of WWII. It's seems for you right to retaliate on families, women, old people , children for the crimes the 3rd Reich did in their names.
I'm on a public forum here, so I'll refrain from calling you "names". But seeing you are from Slowakia, I'm not surprised at what is happening in nearby Ukraine if this train of thought is prevalent in Eastern Europe, nearly 70 years after the end of WWII (see, I'm not defending "the Russians" only). I don't actually believe I'll be able to change your barbaric ideas, because you seem hopeless , but I advise you to read some books of Primo Levy or Wassili Grossmann. VENGEANCE IS NEVER A SOLUTION!
I am not proud of it, I have never said that it's good solution, but it's only solution. From history we know that Russians are aggressive people and have no respect toward one's life.
There is difference between having multiple options and choose the right one and having no option.
Russians used non-standard invasion and we unfortunatelly have to use non-standard reaction now.
That's all.
Germans were expelled from many central-eastern European countries on the base of the Potsdam Agreement.
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@ streetway : I can only advise you to read Primo Levi, who refused although he was a former concentration camp inmate , to use against the nazis the same method they used , because as he put it "it would have been their final victory".
And about the German expellees, when you say "Potsdam agreement" (a sheet of paper), I understand "nemesis" or "vae victis". In other words despite our so called progress , humans didnt change since Roman times. Always believing that the others (here the "Russians") are the "savages" and us (the holier-than-thou Europeans) are "virtuous". Once again your way of thinking is wrong, and if all the Slowaks think like that, Slowakia shouldn't be a member of the EU, which (officially at least) is founded on human values.
Where did I say that Ukraine is about to use self-determination ? I am saying that if you don't like Ukraine you can't just cut out a piece of their land and connect it to the Russia.
You have only two options you etheir accept Ukrainian laws and rules or you leave the country.
You can't self-determine Russian nation again, you can't create a "new Russia"
It is Russian land with russian people, russian plants, factories and values. After th last events they could go anywhere they want, we didn't come to them to kill civil people, they did and they can't be our country anymore. Army can shoot its citizens only once, next time they will have to shoot in a foreign nation
I can't believe that you are serious. You propose to expel people, who has nothing to do with that conflict on absolutely - yeah, absolutely - absurd ground that someone is going to invade Central Europe.
I am saying that if you don't like Ukraine you can't just cut out a piece of their land and connect it to the Russia
Why not? Their ancestors have lived here for many centuries, and now they have to leave their land because of the policies of Kiev? This is nonsense.
Their ancestors lived on this land, even when the concept of "Ukraine" did not exist.
And let us recall Kosovo!
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