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Old 04-10-2014, 12:04 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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To be honest, the entire article is based on hearsay and on eye-witness account of a few individuals...
There are videos which show that shots were fired from the hotel Ukraina.
That German investigation team has a very good reputation...

It is quite clear that the new government is just as bad as the old one, nothing really changed.
Just like with the Arab spring countries...
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Old 04-10-2014, 12:11 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Fascist authority is going to use firearms and tanks against civilian people in Lugansk and Donetsk. That will happened tomorrow, and it seems EU and US won't recognize these crimes committed by SS soldiers of the 21 century.
That is because The European Union, the United States and other nations do not consider all Ukrainians to be "Fascists" and "SS Soldiers". Ukrainians have the right to defend their country just like anyone else. Just because you do not agree with them does not make them fascists or Nazis or communists or whatever.
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Old 04-10-2014, 12:32 PM
 
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Such actions as burning the office of a party (even if we don't like this party) doesn't look European. I hope that Europe will explain it to its new friends and explain in a very strict manner, without taking a position: "Oh, the radicals will slow down somehow and sometimes".
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Old 04-10-2014, 12:39 PM
 
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That is because The European Union, the United States and other nations do not consider all Ukrainians to be "Fascists" and "SS Soldiers". Ukrainians have the right to defend their country just like anyone else. Just because you do not agree with them does not make them fascists or Nazis or communists or whatever.
I don't consider all ukrainian people to be fascists but self-proclaimed government acts like Hitler, their "Right Sector" and National Guard act like punitive troops. And if I'm watching them acting like fascist then I call them "fascists". They risk to begin civil war and they don't want to admit it, it looks like they are executing someone's order. Only time will judge us who was right and who was wrong.
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Old 04-10-2014, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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I don't consider all ukrainian people to be fascists but self-proclaimed government acts like Hitler, their "Right Sector" and National Guard act like punitive troops. And if I'm watching them acting like fascist then I call them "fascists". They risk to begin civil war and they don't want to admit it, it looks like they are executing someone's order. Only time will judge us who was right and who was wrong.
I'm not too sure, if I can take someone seriously who's comparing the Ukrainian provisional government with the German government, that killed millions of people and began a world war.
Some Western media are comparing Putin to Hitler, which is about as ridiculous as the statement above...
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Old 04-10-2014, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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Old 04-10-2014, 12:52 PM
 
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I'm not too sure, if I can take someone seriously who's comparing the Ukrainian provisional government with the German government, that killed millions of people and began a world war.
Some Western media are comparing Putin to Hitler, which is about as ridiculous as the statement above...
Sometime Hitler was just a lance-corporal and nobody had an idea what he was going to do. And ukrainian junta is powerful enough to begin genocide of non-ukrainian peoples.
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Old 04-10-2014, 12:55 PM
 
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From Ukraine
Well, you have the Carpathian Mountains. Attract tourists to them. Mountains, massage, medical procedures, Ukrainian women in national dress...
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Old 04-10-2014, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Sometime Hitler was just a lance-corporal and nobody had an idea what he was going to do. And ukrainian junta is powerful enough to begin genocide of non-ukrainian peoples.
What Junta? 800,000 people at least were involved in Maidan, and millions of people support them.

But whatever, arguing about democracy, law, justice and civil rights with a brainwashed Russian or semi-Russian is like teaching an monkey to be an astronaut.
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Old 04-10-2014, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Sometime Hitler was just a lance-corporal and nobody had an idea what he was going to do.
Seems like you don't know much about that time. My advice: better keep quiet on the Nazi-era or do some serious reading on it.
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