Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
For a reason, it's happened before. The west have done it to NativeAmericans, they were called reservations. Britain did it to the Boers. Need I go on? Russians have a reason to fear it even more.
Bullchit. The people in the wests governments involved in this are not going to be held accountable in any form. If a million, 10 million die nothing will happen to them even though they're responsible for it. If you know you're above the law it opens up a whole new world. It is not unimaginable, to some it's quite desirable. There's psychopaths aplenty in power for the reasons stated above.
If you knew anything about history you'd not be asking that.
The whole point is that this mess is completely unnecessary. Get a clue nummie.
I will only respond to the earlier mention of American Indian reservations (most "native Americans" greatly prefer to be called "Indians" or "American Indians", or whatever the name of their tribe is - i.e., Cherokee, Choctaw, Navajo, Creek, Sioux, and so on.
I visited an Indian reservation a couple of weeks ago. It is partly rural, but includes a tourist town which is doing very well. It is located on the edge of a very popular national park, which means that many tourists visit both the park and the reservation.
When I was there, I saw lots of restaurants, motels, gift shops, a museum featuring the long history of the tribe, modern public schools (grades K-12 plus a community college) in which learning the tribal language is required for graduation - nowadays, that language is taught starting in preschool, so children grow up not only speaking and reading English, but also their traditional tribal language. The local governing of the reservation is for Indians, by Indians. American Indian reservations fall under the Federal Department of the Interior, as far a national government is concerned.
There are beautiful city parks, modern houses, stores of all kinds, a library, fire and police stations paved roads, churches, a large fairground with an outdoor arena, health centers, fitness centers with large gymnasiums, an outdoor drama about the history of the tribe, a reconstruction of an Indian village from the time of the first contact with European settlers, with demonstrations of traditional crafts, and much more on this reservation. Street signs and other public signs are in both English and the tribal language.
American Indians are not required to live on reservations and have not been required to do so for a very, very long time. Those who continue to live on the reservations choose to do so. It is true that the treatment of American Indians was shameful in the 19th century and even into the 20th century, but American Indians have had the same rights and privileges as all other Americans for a very long time - and in some cases, they have more privileges, as only Indians are allowed to own land on a reservation (and only members of the particular tribe may own land on that tribe's reservation). Others can rent reservation land - but they cannot purchase it. However, Indians can also purchase land off the reservation, as can anyone else.
People who are not United States citizens frequently misunderstand or have little knowledge of the status of modern American Indians today, and assume that the terrible treatment they endured in the past is still going on, or that Indian reservations are some kind of concentration camps. This simply is not so.
Come visit an American Indian reservation, and you'll be welcomed, if you are respectful and willing to listen and to learn.
Not the newest video, but it speaks for itself. Meeting of Ukrainian troops in Kramatorsk. Sorry, this time no translation, except "Where you brought gun? Put your gun idiot," "Shame!" and "Nazis get out of here," there are no decent words and expressions Video
People seem happy to see "liberators"... or not?
Video made today I posted a little earlier, by the way
I don't read Russian media ( or Ukrainian for this matter, because it's full of disinformation) but I do see enough of what's going on on the You-tube.
To me this was quite telling.
And although I can't picture myself living in the region or fitting in, I totally get it.
Greetings of the locals in Kharkov of their new "defenders" sent by Kiev
All of these refugees found the shelter in "charitable organizations" - all 63 of them? How sweet.
I offered an example. Obviously not all refugees from the terrorism in eastern Ukraine went to this one organization for help. Good grief. Talk about distortion...there are many similar additional groups assisting refugees - this is just one.
What's about tens of thousands of them who preferred to run to Russia instead? You think it happened because of just "Russian propaganda"? You think they are all that stupid - all hundred thousands of them?
The population of Slavyansk is just over 100,000. Not all 100,000 residents refugeed to Russia. I expect those who did were terrified, or perhaps had relatives or friends in Russia with whom they could stay until the danger was past. Actually, some Ukrainians were forced into Russia, as in the example of the orphans who were illegally taken to Russia - thankfully, they and their caregivers have been repatriated to Ukraine. BTW, where is your proof that "tens of thousands" of Ukrainians fled to Russia??
What "stability" with EU-imposed regulations are you talking about?
I did not mention the EU at all - what are YOU talking about??
They were suffering under the bombardment of the "legal government" first of all.
No- they were suffering from violent invaders from Russia and other Russian-dominated countries who attempted to impose their will onto the local people, some of whom were deluded into supporting such foreign interference. When a country is invaded and its people are threatened, it has the right to self-defense.
Sorry, not to defend some crazy posters out there, but are you saying that the US owns the exclusive "patent on "truth"" somehow?
Of course not - when did I say anything like this? But we do have freedom of the press and freedom of speech, both of which allow for many points of view to be expressed and heard, so that individuals can judge for themselves rather than be fed an obvious government line. This is not the case in Russia at present.
It's about certain parallels that people are making. They do it a for a reason.
Oh, really?? Then why did the individual who posted pictures from WWII claim that they were contemporary pictures of Slavyansk?? This is disinformation, not "certain parallels", and that poster's "reason" was pretty clear to anyone with a brain.
And if after reading all mentioned above sources she still disagrees with your point of view?
Everyone has the right to his or herown opinion, in this matter as in everything else. But wise people accurate, unbiased information before making up their minds.
So basically you are not familiar with the parties in Ukraine or what's the current situation with "support" there - yet you are explaining to her how she should perceive current events?
You wrote this, not me! I read Ukrainian news sites as well as European, Russian, American, and Middle Eastern sites. I do have to use automatic translation for some of these sites, which may not work very well in some cases, but I think I have a pretty fair idea about what's going on. I have Ukrainian relatives, so have been keeping up with happenings in Ukraine well before the events of the last six months.
In the case of the reservation I visited, there were originally around 600 Indians in this particular area. Now there are 16,000.
Any more questions? BTW, in addition to Ukrainian relatives, I also have relatives who are part American Indian. I also have a few relatives whose ancestry is both American Indian and Eastern European!
I expect those who did were terrified, or perhaps had relatives or friends in Russia with whom they could stay until the danger was past. Actually, some Ukrainians were forced into Russia, as in the example of the orphans who were illegally taken to Russia - thankfully, they and their caregivers have been repatriated to Ukraine. BTW, where is your proof that "tens of thousands" of Ukrainians fled to Russia??
I thought you were reading "Ukrainian- news-sites-as-well-as-European-Russian-American-and-Middle- Eastern-sites."
Yet you are not aware of such information?
People who are not United States citizens frequently misunderstand or have little knowledge of the status of modern American Indians today, and assume that the terrible treatment they endured in the past is still going on, or that Indian reservations are some kind of concentration camps. This simply is not so.
Come visit an American Indian reservation, and you'll be welcomed, if you are respectful and willing to listen and to learn.
Many Native Americans choose to live amongst their own in reservations. Some of them are dirt poor and seem to hit the bottle quite hard. On the other hand some tribes are involved in the gamblin business and manage to make a huge profit from the Casino's they are running.
But i think the history of mistreatment by the US army implemented on Indians seem to linger on strongly amongst Native Americans still today.
The massacre at Wounded Knee in December 1890 was probably the last major scale mistreatment of American Indians and once again an epic low in the annals of American history.
I have Ukrainian relatives, so have been keeping up with happenings in Ukraine well before the events of the last six months.
Ukraine now hysterical. They think that they are fighting with the best parts of the Russian army, the Chechens, etc. It's all pretty far from the truth.
Ukraine now hysterical. They think that they are fighting with the best parts of the Russian army, the Chechens, etc. It's all pretty far from the truth.
I don't read Russian media ( or Ukrainian for this matter, because it's full of disinformation) but I do see enough of what's going on on the You-tube.
To me this was quite telling.
And although I can't picture myself living in the region or fitting in, I totally get it.
Greetings of the locals in Kharkov of their new "defenders" sent by Kiev
If you're even slightly interested in the actual events, and not under the Russian imperic illusions, you would wonder - why the military were in the center of Kharkiv with a weapon? But it is beyond your understanding, so I will explain to everyone else as a living witness of that events. Russian separatists planned armed seizure of Kharkiv state regional administration, it became known to the Governor of Kharkiv region and the city park was promoted to patrol armed militias of Kharkiv. Yes, exactly, people with guns is Kharkivers, not "sent from Kiev", but it does take longer to understand the situation, and do not drink for laptop somewhere overseas.
Yesterday there was a similar situation, Russian separatists again took to the Central Square to protest against the release of Donbass from bandits and the city authorities have tightened to the administration building armed guards. Exclusive photo for C-D.com:
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
)
