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Anything to the idea that after getting off the ferry trucks with Ukrainian plates get stopped at the border when transporting food? Supposedly for shakedowns by the Russian police?
62-year-old man from Donbass with bag over his head, bounded, says that he has never been a "separatists", for which he graciously promised only some 15 years in prison.
Leaving Oleg Lyashko (Deputy of the Verkhovna Rada and one of the main Nazis), one of the "liberators" promises him that he must be freed in 15 years... if he will survive. So we Donbas people are criminals and they are good guys? I am sorry? Are you sure that it is me who sho should be more open-minded? Some of you are blind with your hate to Russia
They protect people, while you support the Nazis. You supported them when they were killing police at Maidan, when they were killing people in Odessa, Mariupol, Slavyansk, Red Liman and other cities. You are blinded by hatred of Russia and you do not see the bound, after which the funds are no longer good. You can go on forever laugh at Russia, but it does not change the situation in Ukraine for the better.
Only country that behaves like Nazi is Russia. Russian terrorists are in foreign country it's regular invasion commited by Russian army.
Russia occupies Ukrainian land and support terrorists in Ukraine.
It's very clear who is killing whom, who behaves absolutelly out of international standards and who is importing instability, crossing regular and internationally accepted boundaries of foreign country with its military.
Russians don't belong to the 21st century. It's not hatred it's fact.
Define what "justice" is.
What's "justice" for you is "injustice" for someone else.
That's why the world is a very volatile place. Always has been, still is.
Justice isn't
- invanding foreign country with your military to stop that country making its own dicisions.
- threatning that country with further military actions
- blackmailing that country with imposing embargo on thier export, because that country want to be a member of internationally accepted and most prosperous union.
- illegally importing military equipment through the boundaries of that country
- blackmailing EU if we accept Ukrainian membership
- forcing other Russian "allies" to follow Russian decisions because ..... because Russia.
- ...... and many many more
- invanding foreign country with your military to stop that country making its own dicisions.
- threatning that country with further military actions
- blackmailing that country with imposing embargo on thier export, because that country want to be a member of internationally accepted and most prosperous union.
- illegally importing military equipment through the boundaries of that country
- blackmailing EU if we accept Ukrainian membership
- forcing other Russian "allies" to follow Russian decisions because ..... because Russia.
- ...... and many many more
I didn't ask you what justice isn't, I asked you what justice IS.
So try one more time pls.
@ streetway : why the Donbass wouldn't have the right to independence that was granted Erythrea (carved up from Ethiopia) or South Sudan (carved up from Sudan), or Timor Leste (carved upfrom Indonesia) to take a few examples.
Why? because they are Europeans and not Africans?
Perhaps, next year will be better. I don't know. It seems to me that people there had mixed feelings towards Ukrainian tourists: there were a lot of them and now they lost them. But at the same time the people in the peninsula didn't like that Ukrainian tourists are poor. They thought that there will be more Russian tourists with larger sums of money.
But middle class tourists from our country can go everythere now. Recently I was in one Mediterranean country. I spent a very good time. Nobody there cared about politics, so when our colleague from Slovakia propose to close Europe for us or something like that, I doubt that Mediterranean countries will support it. It's not interesting for them absolutely, that's happening between us and our neighbors.
Will I go to the territory, we "returned"? At that moment - no. I will wait for several years, and then will make a decision.
@ streetway : why the Donbass wouldn't have the right to independence that was granted Erythrea (carved up from Ethiopia) or South Sudan (carved up from Sudan), or Timor Leste (carved upfrom Indonesia) to take a few examples.
Why? because they are Europeans and not Africans?
Or USA, or all countries of ex- SU, this list can be endless. People don't know their own history, most countries were created because people wanted independence
It's still not very clear, did they want independence. Or just higher salary. It's evident that such fast and moderately bloodless scenario that worked in the previous case is impossible here. Besides, in the previous case we at least had an opportunity to say that 1954 decision was also illegal. Now, we don't have such an "excuse" (even a weak one).
So, for the inhabitants of the region, whether they thought at first, it's better now to stay in the country to which they belong. I bet a lot of them already got tired of that insurgents.
Besides there is no evidence that the Right Sector will do the same atrocities that some of the people they worship, did during the WWII. A lot of Western Ukrainians participated in the atrocities, made by Nazi.
But not only them. And to say that they will repeat all this is as absurd as to say that modern communists (mostly harmless) will really act as in the '30s.
I don't say that the Right Sector is harmless. No. But to show them and then to show the atrocities of WWII (as they did on TV) and to say: "They will do the same", is some kind of manipulation.
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