The future of Ukraine (crime, country, place, people)

[Ariete]

Nice and friendly-looking Russian "freedom fighters" on Saturday in Simferopol:


(Genya Savilov / AFP)

Evil Ukrainian "fascists" yesterday morning at Maidan:

( Louisa Gouliamaki / AFP)

Evil fascist militants trained and paid by USA demonstrating outside the Russian Embassy in Helsinki yesterday:

(Markku Ulander / Lehtikuva)

I guess these weren't shown on RT...

[GreyKarast]

Originally Posted by Mac15

Oh yes it does.

They are exercising their control where they have no business.

Then where is the democracy? If everything is decided by only one country? who cares only about his own interests. She does not care what will happen to these countries and people. the most important thing that the United States had made a profit. Any public opinion is against the policy of the United States, declared propaganda and false.
All countries need to understand that there is only one country that can resist the U.S. and its policies, it has always been Russian. If Russia disappear, the U.S. domination is everywhere and no one can resist it.
For this reason, the scam was created by the sale of Alaska. Otherwise, the United States did not exist today as a super-power.

[Mac15]

Alaska is fully American my love. I am sure the people of Alaska would be disgusted if you suggested otherwise.

Ukraine is its own country, Russia has no business attempting to control. Infant I personally feel that the UN should get in their to kick them right out. I know if it was my country and they came here I'd be furious!

And America does not decide anything it is the UN and the G8 countries etc. I don't like how they stick their nose into everything though.

[GreyKarast]

Originally Posted by Ariete

Nice and friendly-looking Russian "freedom fighters" on Saturday in Simferopol:
I guess these weren't shown on RT...

For freedom from whom? 20 years there oppressed Russian. Many believe that was shown on TV. Regarding maydanevtsev Nazis they were always the Nazis.Just do not forget that most of us have relatives there, unlike you and your media.

[GreyKarast]

Originally Posted by Mac15

Alaska is fully American my love. I am sure the people of Alaska would be disgusted if you suggested otherwise.

Ukraine is its own country, Russia has no business attempting to control. Infant I personally feel that the UN should get in their to kick them right out. I know if it was my country and they came here I'd be furious!

And America does not decide anything it is the UN and the G8 countries etc. I don't like how they stick their nose into everything though.

You did not understand me. Scam with the sale of Alaska was to appear such as the U.S. government. Otherwise, the State has had such an impact today.
This is a story about what the U.S. tries to limit the influence of Russia.
As for Ukraine, there is more than a business. There's strategic ports for Russia. And hundreds of years Ukraine was part of Russia. With regard to the Crimean peninsula, all Russian cities were established there and the blood of our ancestors.
In addition, there is a large part of the Russian people ,which are trying to destroy and expel the Nazis.

UN does not exist today, it marianetka USA. Where was the UN when the U.S. led attack and waging war and for no reason? Ukraine for us it is not a foreign country. She is a stranger to you all. But not for Russia and Belarus.

[danielj72]

Originally Posted by GreyKarast

You did not understand me. Scam with the sale of Alaska was to appear such as the U.S. government. Otherwise, the State has had such an impact today.
This is a story about what the U.S. tries to limit the influence of Russia.
As for Ukraine, there is more than a business. There's strategic ports for Russia. And hundreds of years Ukraine was part of Russia. With regard to the Crimean peninsula, all Russian cities were established there and the blood of our ancestors.
In addition, there is a large part of the Russian people ,which are trying to destroy and expel the Nazis.

UN does not exist today, it marianetka USA. Where was the UN when the U.S. led attack and waging war and for no reason? Ukraine for us it is not a foreign country. She is a stranger to you all. But not for Russia and Belarus.

Ah so Belarus is next, that is not a surprise. Putin is trying to rebuild the Soviet empire at the expense of his neighbors. This is not new in history though, there was a German named Hitler in 1938 who thought the Sudetenland was his in Czechoslovakia simply because there were German speakers there. Neville Chamberlain thought it was a good idea to appease him at the Munich conference in the name of peace, but as we all know his thirst for power was unquenchable. Vladimir Putin is starting to look like a Russian version of Hitler here, actually Ukraine is the second place where he has done this, Georgia was first, I think in 08). Unfortunately Putin is very smart, and the US leader is a clown who happily will play Neville Chamberlains role. The Iron curtain may be coming back, peoples freedom is in danger. I hope the nations of Eastern Europe get the message that the US has a spineless leader and that they need to act to help their Ukrainian brothers on their own. Dictators who are not stood up to become emboldened, just like bullies, and Putin is a bully. Oh and the US waged war on those who posed a threat to us because of terrorism, I know you don't agree with it but we are the ones who had thousands of people die on our own streets. I don't care if Russians don't agree with us but any sovereign nation has the right to defend itself. There is no threat to Russia from the Ukraine, and yes Ukraine was ruled by Russia for hundreds of years, but that was due to conquest and the Ukrainians always had the right to be free. If the Russians left behind after that nation freed itself do not like their new Ukrainian government then they should be free to move back to Russia. That excuse for lauching an invasion is a pathetic one, and the whole world knows it. Your nation is probably going to get what it wants here, but you are on the wrong side of what is right. However when a nation acts as recklessly as Russia has here you never know what kind of war you may start, or who may come to Ukraine's aid. I think Belarus (who you already mentioned), the Baltics, Poland, Romania etc. should all consider aiding Ukraine, because if Ukraine falls (and I think Putin does want it all), those nations could be next. I think we all should read our history books regarding WW2 in Europe and see the similarities here, very scary Herr Putin.

[GreyKarast]

Originally Posted by danielj72

Ah so Belarus is next, that is not a surprise. Putin is trying to rebuild the Soviet empire at the expense of his neighbors. This is not new in history though, there was a German named Hitler in 1938 who thought the Sudetenland was his in Czechoslovakia simply because there were German speakers there. Neville Chamberlain thought it was a good idea to appease him at the Munich conference in the name of peace, but as we all know his thirst for power was unquenchable. Vladimir Putin is starting to look like a Russian version of Hitler here, actually Ukraine is the second place where he has done this, Georgia was first, I think in 08). Unfortunately Putin is very smart, and the US leader is a clown who happily will play Neville Chamberlains role. The Iron curtain may be coming back, peoples freedom is in danger. I hope the nations of Eastern Europe get the message that the US has a spineless leader and that they need to act to help their Ukrainian brothers on their own. Dictators who are not stood up to become emboldened, just like bullies, and Putin is a bully. Oh and the US waged war on those who posed a threat to us because of terrorism, I know you don't agree with it but we are the ones who had thousands of people die on our own streets. I don't care if Russians don't agree with us but any sovereign nation has the right to defend itself. There is no threat to Russia from the Ukraine, and yes Ukraine was ruled by Russia for hundreds of years, but that was due to conquest and the Ukrainians always had the right to be free. If the Russians left behind after that nation freed itself do not like their new Ukrainian government then they should be free to move back to Russia. That excuse for lauching an invasion is a pathetic one, and the whole world knows it. Your nation is probably going to get what it wants here, but you are on the wrong side of what is right. However when a nation acts as recklessly as Russia has here you never know what kind of war you may start, or who may come to Ukraine's aid. I think Belarus (who you already mentioned), the Baltics, Poland, Romania etc. should all consider aiding Ukraine, because if Ukraine falls (and I think Putin does want it all), those nations could be next. I think we all should read our history books regarding WW2 in Europe and see the similarities here, very scary Herr Putin.

It's funny when you say that Ukrainians are American brothers. At what age?
You know what the funny thing is the inscription. For whom they are intended? Russian troops are not there yet, second there all had very good knowledge of the Russian language.Georgia was the first? Who first attacked and financed the attack on civilians in South Ossetia? Who attacked Russian peacekeepers?International Committee proved that funded and trained Grougi USA. It is not just words. So refer to reality.Why are you still in this obvinyaete Russia? Why not the real culprit the U.S.?It's funny that only 200 Russian peacekeepers with a simple small arms could stop the whole Georgian army, which trained specialists from the CIA.
Now before to Ukraine itself. U.S. wants to help her? The EU wants to help her? So why do not they will allocate $ 100 billion to stabilize Ukraine?
She only needed to destabilize Russia, no more no less.
Well, if Putin is the second Hitler, then who Oban and Вush?Is Putin's soldiers bombed Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, in the modern world?

[gsgsgs]

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not so easy to find official Russian statements
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Xinhua:
Putin said Russia could not stay aside if violent actions were taken against Russian-speakers
in eastern Ukrainian regions and Crimea.
Russian President Vladimir Putin told U.S. President Barack Obama over phone on Saturday
that Russia retains the right to protect its interests and Russian speakers living in Ukraine if
violence spreads in eastern Ukrainian regions and Crimea, an autonomous republic of Ukraine
now at the center of the country's ongoing crisis.
Russia would take necessary measures according to international law, Putin added.
But both sides agreed that further escalation of the crisis in Ukraine should be averted.
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Putin akzeptiert Merkels Vermittlungsvorschlag
they agreed to immediately establish a "Fact finding mission" and a contact-group,
maybe under OSZE-leadership and to start a political dialog
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Putin: Ereignisse auf Krim und in der Ukraine eine Gefahr für das Leben russischer Bürger
und der russischsprachigen Bevölkerung seien
Die von Russland bisher eingeleiteten Schritte seien angemessen, zitierte der Kreml Putin.
Ziel sei es, die Lage weiter auf friedlichem Weg zu stabilisieren.
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Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev: Russia is ready to develop ties with Ukraine but not with those
who seized power through bloodshed - RIA via @Reuters
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Russlands Vize-Außenminister Grigori Karassin betonte im Staatsfernsehen,
Moskau wolle im Sinne der "Stabilität in Europa" keinen Krieg mit der Ukraine.
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Pavlovsky also stressed that Russia had "not deployed troops to Ukraine," but had used
the ones that were already there.
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Jan Eliasson (UNO) will sich ein Bild von der Lage machen,
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https://twitter.com/DEmmerich
UN evacuates personnell from Krim, ordered to leave
UN lässt offenbar Mitarbeiter evakuieren. Kollege, der für UN arbeitet:
"Bekam um 3 Uhr Anruf, müssen Krim verlassen
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Go direction of Simferopol Crimean border. What happens there?What do the Russians?
Can Ukraine compete?
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Head of the Crimean Tatar Tschubarow: Russian invasion is a threat to world peace
Chubarov: Russian invasion of Crimea is threat to world peace, security
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Reports, mobile network in Crimea disturbed or blocked. In Simferopol, landline, worksMobile,
Internet normal
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Russian troops marching on Russian coast towards Crimea in Kerch.Ukraine border guards report
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BreakingNews A miles-long Russian invasion forces convoy moving from Sevastopol
towardsCentral Crimea this morning. pic.twitter.com/O08hlX22Un
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Well taken. As Obama might feel now...via @saaytac pic.twitter.com/6nisbHn5Xq @serdar_cam @A_Davutoglu_eng
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Russian military begins construction of armored lock on borderbetween Crimea and Ukraine
Ukraine border guards report build-up of Russian armour near Crimea
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Entry in Crimea over land from North difficult. Armed control vehicles.Cossacks
have established field camps
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Parliament in Simferopol in the morning. No military, no police. On the roof is aRussian flag
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Russlands Außenminister Sergej Lawrow spricht mit seinem chinesischen Amtskollegen
über die Lage in der Ukraine. Beide Politiker stimmten in ihrer Einschätzung überein,
erklärt die Regierung in Moskau.
Medwedew bezeichnet Janukowitsch als legitimen Präsidenten
https://www.facebook.com/Dmitry.Medvedev?fref=ts&rf=108044689222891

I write much on Facebook about
the situation around our closest neighbour-Ukraine. Write very different, can appreciate.
My position is that Russia is ready to develop multifaceted respectful relations with brotherly
Ukraine. Mutually beneficial and effective. But Ukraine is not a group of people that the blood
on the Maidan, seized power in violation of the Constitution and other laws of ...osudarstva.
It's the whole country. Very different people. Ukrainians, Russians, Tatars, Jews.
Other nations living in harmony.Yes, the credibility of President Bill Clinton is almost negligible,
but that does not negate the fact that the Constitution he is the legitimate head of State.
If he is guilty before Ukraine-get impeachment proceedings according to the Ukrainian
Constitution (art. 111) and judge him. Everything else is arbitrary. The seizure of power.
So this will be very fragile. Will a new coup. The new blood.Russia needs a strong and
stable Ukraine. Predictable and economically wealthy partner. Not the poor relation,
always standing with outstretched hand. About all that was said yesterday a latter-day
Ukrainian rulers
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[so Russia communicates to the world by facebook ....
OK.
Obama,Merkel please respond to that page !

at last a reasonable, open, informative, direct, productive, political dialogue
as we are used and appreciate from internet discussions since decades ... ??]
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[Muscovite]

The Ukraine crisis: John Kerry and Nato must calm down and back off | Jonathan Steele | Comment is free | The Guardian

At the back of Pentagon minds, no doubt, is the dream that a US navy will one day replace the Russian Black Sea fleet in the Crimean ports of Sevastopol and Balaclava.

They must give us guarantees that this won't happen. Never. Otherwise I doubt their right to accuse us. I don't want the war. But our neighbour shouldn't participate in this military alliance.

In the Crimea they must allow people to made a referendum. Kyiv opposed this idea at first.

And to our colleagues from Estonia I'd like to remind that Russians, Swedes and Finns are the large portion of tourists there.

Your grudge looks very strange. Nobody's going to do anything against you, I'm for neutrality and economic partnership.

But the peninsula is another story. GreyKarast explained why. One may have this or that polical views, but it's evident for the nation.

GreyKarast
With regard to the Crimean peninsula, all Russian cities were established there and the blood of our ancestors.

[gsgsgs]

and at the back of EU/OSZE minds is the dream that the navies merge one day and commonly
protect world peace, international sea-laws, free trade, shipping safety