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I can not see America or the EU supplying the Ukraine with nothing but further heart ache. OR if things go south - provocateurs and weapon merchants making a few buck on the misery.
Yep. Many soberly thinking people around the world realize that. But there is nothing we can do with it.
No one wants a civil war other than perhaps the egg heads in Washington or the creeps in Germany....apparently they think that the Ukraine is and can be like another Syria...what a joke....The Ukraine will settle down in short notice...and the trouble makers that hope for the worst should just back off.
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom
of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the
threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of
Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except
in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
Let me explain you something..
Both ukrainians and russians do NOT want any civil war in Ukraine or split the country.
The only force in Ukraine who destabilizes the situation in the country is neo-nazis brigades. They threaten to the preservation of the territorial integrity of Ukraine.
According to Budapest Memoramdum, Russia is a guarantor of the preservation of the territorial integrity of Ukraine. So, this Memorandum obligates Russia to remove those nazis from Ukraine. That's why russian troops are came in. NOT FOR THE WAR WITH UKRAINIANS!!!
But, as usual, your western propaganda is distorting and perverting all of the events in the old anti-russian manner. Too much hysteria abbout this lawful act of Russia in the EU and in USA now.
And someone wants to take an advantage from this situation.
Let me explain you something..
Both ukrainians and russians do NOT want any civil war in Ukraine or split the country. The only force in Ukraine who destabilizes the situation in the country is neo-nazis brigades. They threaten to the preservation of the territorial integrity of Ukraine. According to Budapest Memoramdum, Russia is a guarantor of the preservation of the territorial integrity of Ukraine. So, this Memorandum obligates Russia to remove those nazis from Ukraine. That's why russian troops are came in. NOT FOR THE WAR WITH UKRAINIANS!!!
But, as usual, your western propaganda is distorting and perverting all of the events in the old anti-russian manner. Too much hysteria abbout this lawful act of Russia in the EU and in USA now.
And someone wants to take an advantage from this situation.
It matters if Ynaukovich is president or not; it is not an invasion if the president invites troops in. It is like saying someone is breaking into your house even though you invited them in.
The Memo is not a treaty, and the Memo has no enforcement regulations in it, as in a violation does not equal enforcement. You see, in many, if not all legal documents, there are enforcement regulations to go along with it. Just Google and look at any run of the mill US Chapter code and view through it, you will come across enforcement language. The Memo does not have any enforcement in it, it refers to international laws.
The international law part is where who is president part comes in.
Besides that, let it be a violation, hardly a reason to start WW3 over, not even a reason to spend one dime of US tax dollars on. Ukraine made their choice, let them face the consequences.
Enforcement through international law, if using international law, a coup against a fairly elected leader is not legal, so Yanukovich is still president until he resigns.
You have a valid point:
Recognized governments have the right to receive external military assistance in the absence of a civil war.
The problems:
Recognized government:
- Yanukovych or his government does not possess effective control over the Ukraine or even the Crimean peninsula.
- Yanukovych or his government does not have the consent or acquiescence of the people of the Ukraine or Crimean peninsula. The west (read: western Ukraine) supports the new government, most of the east seems to support Russian rule and the Crimean peninsula seems to follow command of the Crimean president and Moscow.
- Yanukovych does not exhibit a willingness to uphold the state’s obligations under international law.
Conclusion: This all indicates that Yanukovych’s regime is no longer the recognized government under customary international law.
Is there a civil war?
Those unmarked soldiers, Crimean self-defence forces (*wink*), are taking over Ukrainian military bases and ships and are threatening Ukrainian forces up to this very moment. Ultimatums and all. Looks like a civil war to me.
But the Budapest Memorandum isn’t enforceable!
Well, that’s like saying the US can invade Canada, because there is no agreement between them that makes an invasion illegal.
But as we already figured out, there are legally binding and very narrow exceptions to the prohibition of the use of force. The most likely one would be the one above, but that’s clearly not applicable. Budapest memorandum or not.
But the US are waging war all the time!
So what? It sucks that the US are ignoring international law at times, but that doesn’t mean that everybody should just ignore it.
Edit:
Legality of Coups: Google effective control doctrine, Estrada doctrine and Tobar doctrine. I don't see any problems with any of those when there will be free elections within the next few weeks. It's questionable, though, that those elections will be free when Russia is occupying the eastern half of the Ukraine.
Last edited by viribusunitis; 03-03-2014 at 12:49 PM..
I've already figured out that Maksim_Frolov is putinugend. Feels musiqum is his bro.
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