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The prize for the West is much greater than oil; the goal of the West, and since even the times of the European monarchs, was the destruction of Russia. Ukraine is a grand prize in this game.
Problem is, this came at a bad time; the EU and US are broke, the world is coming out of a huge economic downturn, and Ukraine really has nothing to offer other than geography in this game, and 46 million poor people and a near bankrupt economy. Oh yes, the opposing player in this game is not some rag tagged third world country far from the EU and US, it is Russia; largest country by area, ninth largest by population (largest population in Europe), sixth largest economy, third largest military (and not the paper tiger Iraq was when they were the fourth largest), large resource exporter, and sitting on the US and EU border.
Do I want my standard of living to decline for Ukraine? Heck no, that is an issue between Russia and Ukraine, I do not even think the EU should be involved. As for NATO, they could not even sustain a three month no-fly zone in Libya (without the US heavily resupplying them), let alone take on Russia. NATO except for France, the UK, and US, are nothing more than defensive oriented military's, incapable of offensive operations, especially against Russia.
Also, any engagement will be politically damaging for the EU and US, politicians look out for their own elections first before anything else. I do not think many citizens are in favor of taking a downturn in their standard of living, and even losing their job, over Ukraine, which all in all, is 46 million poor people, many of which want the EU passport just so they can flee to west Europe and live off the welfare system.
Of course, but no one's going to help Ukraine since they have no oil
Certainly not the US
But of course, that's how it should be
The US shouldn't need to get invovled in other countries' politics
Revolutionary Ukrainians just toppled multiple statues of Lenin still standing in the Ukraine.
Millions of Ukrainians were starved to death by Bolsheviks. It's called Holodomor...
anyone who wants to know the roots of this conflict should google that term.
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The Bolsheviks were made up by many people, including Ukrainians. It was Stalin, the Georgian, that did the most atrocities, so why is Russia to blame? More Russians died under the communist regime than any other group. Ukraine, like Russia, was a full participant in the USSR.
If the statues of Lenin were still there, why did not the leaders of the Orange Revolution remove them? Tymenshenho and Yushenko had the power to do so, why not? Same as in Georgia, where the statue of Stalin remained until 2010.
Every Soviet republic except Russia seems they want to cast themselves as being "occupied", when in fact they were full participants in the Soviet Union. The worse of the leaders, Stalin, was Georgian, so why is not Georgia to blame? Heck, they had his statue still up until 2010. You can say the Georgian SSR was to blame for the bulk of Soviet atrocities, yet to this date, Georgia refuses to admit any role they had in the atrocities of the Soviet Union.
The Bolsheviks not only starved to death millions of Ukrainians... they also killed millions of Russians.
The resurrection of Russia that began with the fall of the USSR is not complete.
Russian Orthodox Churches have been rebuilt and Russia's murdered Tsar and royal family have been canonized.
But Russia's horrific Bolshevik past is still being glorified.
Russia is now double-minded. The Bible says double-mindedness causes instability.
Russia has no clear vision of her future. I would not be surprised if Russia loses this "war."
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All Soviet republics were participants in the Soviet regime. Russia is not glorifying its Bolshevik past, it is simply not ignoring it as other republics have done. Other republics seem to want to erase their past, even though many of its own people were full participants in the regime.
You seem to keep imply Bolsheviks = Russians, when in fat it does not. People of all groups were part of the Bolsheviks.
Given how you stated "Russian Orthodox Churches have been rebuilt and Russia's murdered Tsar and royal family have been canonized.", that is counter to glorifying the Bolsheviks.
What Ukraine radicals are doing are glorifying the Nazi's, using swastika type symbols and elevating Bandera to the level of national hero, that is glorifying. They could have simply acknowledged one aspect of his anti-Soviet activities, while acknowledging his means were incorrect in siding with the nazis and the actions he took. But no, they do not acknowledge this.
Why so focused on the language issue? People should speak the language of the nation they live in. Russians living in Ukraine should know the Ukraine language. Their children should learn it in the schools. Doesn't seem at all outrageous to me.
It doesn't seem "outrageous" to you, because you, apparently is not all that familiar with the history of the two.
Russia grew out of Ukraine, hence Russian language grew out of Ukrainian. The more the culture/development of Eastern Slavs was moving Eastward, the more Russian language was refined and developed and with it - the literature and science. All while Ukrainian remained the atavism, the shadow, a dialect of what became the language of the world power ( i.e. Russian language) to which the major European languages have been translated ( both in literature and science.) So obviously, more industrialized Ukrainian East prefers to speak the language that symbolizes more advanced development, where the West prefers to speak the language that serves the nationalistic agenda, primarily, and still laments the fact that Ukraine never became what became of the Eastern part of once united Slavic state, and it still tries to turn the clock back.
There is reason you see, why Ukraine on its own is a failed state.
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It's more like the equivalent of French being the language of France, Spanish of Spain, etc. You live there you should speak the language or you are a second class citizen. Russia has abused Ukraine before during and after Socialism. Why defend such an oppressor?
Ukraine in its current borders has been created by three men; Lenin, Stalin and Khrushev.
What else there is to add?
Let's just face it. There are plenty of reasons why Russia will win the day in the Ukrainian case. I am not Russian or ethnically Russian, but I find the uniform anti-Russian bias, just like the anti-Chinese bias, found in all western media very painful to watch. Just a lot of chest thumping, with absolutely no historical context or acknowledgement. It's really a sound byte news culture for the stupid citizenry who would rather watch a sports game or the Oscar over something more serious like a war. These stupid citizens then become easy fodder for mass brainwashing. The Crimea was a part of traditional Russia, so now it should return to Russia. By the way, Russia gained millions of miles of far eastern territories under the unequal treaties with Qing China in the 18th and 19th centuries. One of these days, when China is fully modernized, Russia will have to pay those back too. So, Russia, you win some, but always be prepare to lose some too.
Let's just face it. There are plenty of reasons why Russia will win the day in the Ukrainian case. I am not Russian or ethnically Russian, but I find the uniform anti-Russian bias, just like the anti-Chinese bias, found in all western media very painful to watch. Just a lot of chest thumping, with absolutely no historical context or acknowledgement. It's really a sound byte news culture for the stupid citizenry who would rather watch a sports game or the Oscar over something more serious like a war. These stupid citizens then become easy fodder for mass brainwashing. The Crimea was a part of traditional Russia, so now it should return to Russia. By the way, Russia gained millions of miles of far eastern territories under the unequal treaties with Qing China in the 18th and 19th centuries. One of these days, when China is fully modernized, Russia will have to pay those back too. So, Russia, you win some, but always be prepare to lose some too.
No, Russia will have intermediate range missiles deployed (like in Kaliningrad) by then (if not now), to quell any interest China has in taking those areas by force. An unlike the Crimea, there is not a significant Chinese population in those areas, let alone one that is loyal to China. China has no interest in engaging in an armed conflict with Russia over territories that it actually does not really consider theirs except only by the most ultra-nationalist (every country has these types).
As for the media; what politicians say to appease their domestic audience is different than what goes behind closed doors. I would take any politician's views with a grain of salt, except extremists like McCain and his counterparts in other countries, they generally state in public what they do in private.
Given how you stated "Russian Orthodox Churches have been rebuilt and Russia's murdered Tsar and royal family have been canonized.", that is counter to glorifying the Bolsheviks.
Russia is now double-minded... glorifying both it's Tsarist past and its Bolshevik past...
but those two pasts [philosophies] are completely contrary and antagonistic to each other.
The Bible says double-mindedness makes one unstable.
Russia's double-mindedness makes Russia weak and unstable.
If Russia does not have a clear vision of itself and its future.... it has no future.
Maybe that tells us something important about the Orange revolution...
and how the current "Brown" ? revolution differs.
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If you read my previous posts;
I am not for Yanukovich, he should be in jail as far as I am concerned. However, the way to properly do this is through the established election process. Yanukovich was elected fairly, something many people forget or are obtuse to. The act of parliament to strip him of power was illegal, as was the overthrow. Once the protesters engaged in illegal acts, they lost all legitimacy they had, only the West recognizes it has legitimate due to political reasons only. If this was any other country, the West would have condemned the coup.
And this puts the West in a particular situation; how to continue anti-Russian activities, while trying to not promote an illegal overthrow of a government? How to say Russia is wrong sending troops in, when the West does this all of the time, all over the world, for reason much less legitimate than Russia's?
"It is known that the US wants Russia disassembled, to cease to exist, this statement has been made b y numerous people in power like Cheney. "
So there is a reason why they still have the Red Square victory parades and why they still don't bury Lenin's corpse.
And it's up to them to decide when they are ready to do that.
And you actually believe that???
There are 300 million plus Americans and yes you will find some who solution to a problem like Iran or the Syrian dictator is to invade. But do you really believe that means that the vast majority of Americans wants Russia to cease to exist? More then 140 million people to die? And then its vast territory to be absorbed by whom? Stop and think about it.
In diplomatic terms the United States does want any one power to dominate Eurasia. So it does not want anything like the Soviet Union trying to spread "Dear Leaders" to their unwilling neighbors or like the Russian Empire constantly annexing smaller countries in the name of security.
What the United States does want is a stable and prosperous Russia that will maintain its borders and contribute to security and the world economy.
Keep in mind that the USA and Russia have been allies in both World wars. Also, Russia was helpful to the United States in both the American Civil War and the American Revolution. This because of a simple fact - Russia and the United States, one traditionally a major land power and the other a naval power who sit on the opposite sides of the planet from each other - are actually natural allies. One day they may be again.
So no the United States does not want to destroy Russia or murder the Russian people. I mean, please be rational.
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You can say the Georgian SSR was to blame for the bulk of Soviet atrocities, yet to this date, Georgia refuses to admit any role they had in the atrocities of the Soviet Union.
