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You have supported the neo-Nazis in the territories, where many Russian. This is a mistake. And what the outcome of this mistake is not clear.
Calling someone who is trying to associate with the EU, democracy and personal freedom for neo-Nazis is pretty far out.
There are plenty of Russians in London, Berlin and Detroit - and they don`t start waving flags there either.
The Ukrainians understand that way out of their misery is not being a Soviet-satellite state - they have been there.
Let`s face it: The Russians are afraid of EU (US) influence in their backyard. Putin reputation as hard-baller depends on if he can take strong actions or not.
The Ukrainians understand that way out of their misery is not being a Soviet-satellite state - they have been there.
But why people in Kharkiv and Donetsk hold our flags? I don't want this. But they aren't one nation. And the Crimea is Russian, so they say. I don't. They do.
Yatsenuk isn't far right. But some people are. They are not rare. They say that Europe is liberal and anti-Christian.
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Calling someone who is trying to associate with the EU, democracy and personal freedom for neo-Nazis is pretty far out.
There are plenty of Russians in London, Berlin and Detroit - and they don`t start waving flags there either.
The Ukrainians understand that way out of their misery is not being a Soviet-satellite state - they have been there.
Let`s face it: The Russians are afraid of EU (US) influence in their backyard. Putin reputation as hard-baller depends on if he can take strong actions or not.
I think that you do not fully represent the situation in Ukraine now. We will not argue, only time will tell.
European media made it pretty clear that the whole thing was about an Association Agreement.
But this "association agreement" implied economic changes that would hit Ukrainian East, ( the industrial base of Ukraine) very hard.
People are not that naive to not to understand this.
Again - this "agreement" would have benefited some on top, but brought misery to general population in the Eastern part of Ukraine.
So it was not a deal as innocent as it sounds, not to mention the deprivation of Ukraine of Russia's much more general offer in terms of loans.
Calling someone who is trying to associate with the EU, democracy and personal freedom for neo-Nazis is pretty far out.
There are plenty of Russians in London, Berlin and Detroit - and they don`t start waving flags there either.
Those Russians in London - they need to be returned to Russia for their criminal activities ( most likely same for those who are in Berlin.)
Those who are in Detroit ( and particularly in New York) - you can keep them)))
It has got nothing to do with "waving Russian flag" in Ukraine.
If this is how Russians view the global economy and China's role in it then it is a severe misunderstanding.
Oil prices do go down and it is that plus heavy military spending that led to the collapse of the USSR. Other factors will lead to a decline in oil prices; it does not have to be a weak global economy. Western nations are becoming more energy efficient and energy independent. Migrations into cities from the suburbs is reducing dependency on cars. So lower oil prices benefit the US economy, not hurt it. Weak oil prices do not have to be catastrophic for Russia but it is a country that spends heavily on its military and that is where you will have a problem.
Also it's a given that the US will not stay out of the conflict. The only question is how will it engage. Maybe not militarily, maybe not right away, but the lines have already been drawn and in the end it is Russia that will be in a bind. This will likely be a game of economic attrition just like Nixon and Reagan played it.
No, oil prices will not go down, especially if you take Russian energy off the market, prices are going to sky rocket. China as it is purchases Iranian oil even though there are "sanctions" against Iran.
You also are looking at energy through the usual American bias, you forget it is a global market, and with increasing standards of living, there is increased consumption of resources. This is why costly extraction like fracking and tar sands are profitable, and will continue to be. Also, the supply of easily process crude is dwindling, thus increasing refining costs. The US now exports this poor quality crude due to the costs of refining it in the US to meet US standards for use.
The only way to have a retreat of energy prices is through a global economic retreat, just as happened in 2008, as you saw resource prices retreat.
Look at the reaction in Europe when Ukraine was stealing gas from the transit lines; this simple disruption was nearly catastrophic for Europe.
While your scenario is wishful thinking, it is just that, wishful thinking. The West and its citizens are use to a high standard of living, and an impact on this is very damaging to the elected officials, especially if it is over Ukraine of all places. Russian citizens on the other hand, are use to adverse conditions, and will not even blink at a downturn, they weathered the 90's financial crisis just fine, and have a history of much more adverse conditions than the West (especially the US) has.
Calling someone who is trying to associate with the EU, democracy and personal freedom for neo-Nazis is pretty far out.
Part of people who brought forth the new government are indeed the far right, nationalist groups. There is no sense to deny it. ( Some, not all of course.)
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The Ukrainians understand that way out of their misery is not being a Soviet-satellite state - they have been there.
You don't seem to understand that today's Russia is NOT a Soviet state; you are stuck in the past.
In the money-oriented modern world Russia represents the financial power that leaders of Eastern Ukraine are dependent on, because of economic ties of the region. The whole issue of Russian culture of Eastern Ukraine is another important thing.
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Let`s face it: The Russians are afraid of EU (US) influence in their backyard. Putin reputation as hard-baller depends on if he can take strong actions or not.
You don't need to be a "hard-baller" to understand that your fleet might end up in the hands of your adversaries - at their mercy to be more precise.
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