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Old 02-19-2017, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Russia
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It's collaborators. The less of these is the better for Ukraine.
Queues show poor performance of the migration service in Russian Federation. That is not surprising.
Yeah. second grade, schё was so named as "Untermensch". Correctly?

Normal migration works, just wanting very much.
For a couple of years more than 4000000 (four million) came and the flow stops.

Heh, they are traitors all around. Or maybe it's you that something is wrong?


P.S
Show me please, on what channel you can see the Baltic states bathing in chocolate and rolled in the Bentley at expensive resorts?
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Old 02-19-2017, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Europe
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Show me please, on what channel you can see the Baltic states bathing in chocolate and rolled in the Bentley at expensive resorts?
Dude, salary of skilled worker in Estonia is about 1000-1500 euro.
What about Russia exclude Moscow and St Petersburg?
Over 60 000 rubles per month. Its salary of leutenant/captain of FSB.
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Old 02-19-2017, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Europe
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Heh, they are traitors all around. Or maybe it's you that something is wrong?
They are stupid sheeps IMHO. They have the right to choose. That is democracy.
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Old 02-19-2017, 12:28 PM
 
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Dude, salary of skilled worker in Estonia is about 1000-1500 euro.
What about Russia exclude Moscow and St Petersburg?
Over 60 000 rubles per month. Its salary of leutenant/captain of FSB.
Comrade lieutenant FSB had never been so close to failure))))))

About Estonia readily believe all four of the remaining worker there and get)) is true to say forget about the price and about the nalogi.Skolko where they remain after payment of all?

So where, on what channel you can see most of these Estonians? Well, those very, happy, on Bentli.I why suddenly the country's population decreased three times? Again traitors? ))))

In Russia, such salaries are not uncommon throughout Russia not rnedkost. Teach materiel))
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Old 02-19-2017, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Russia
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They are stupid sheeps IMHO. They have the right to choose. That is democracy.
Ah, to die or emigrate.
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Old 02-19-2017, 12:45 PM
 
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Comrade lieutenant FSB had never been so close to failure))))))

About Estonia readily believe all four of the remaining worker there and get)) is true to say forget about the price and about the nalogi.Skolko where they remain after payment of all?

So where, on what channel you can see most of these Estonians? Well, those very, happy, on Bentli.I why suddenly the country's population decreased three times? Again traitors? ))))

In Russia, such salaries are not uncommon throughout Russia not rnedkost. Teach materiel))
What gets a nurse in a public hospital in Bryansk?
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Old 02-19-2017, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Russia
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What gets a nurse in a public hospital in Bryansk?
ABOUT ! Now you want to talk about Bryansk?
Let's first answer to the question why the population in the Baltic States decreased by one third?
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Old 02-19-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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False Narratives

This Russia-bashing and Russia-baiting have been accompanied by false narratives presented in the major U.S. newspapers, including The New York Times and The Washington Post, to justify increased tensions.

For instance, the Post’s senior foreign affairs writer Karen DeYoung on Friday described the civil war in Ukraine this way: “That conflict began when Russia invaded and annexed Crimea in 2014, then backed separatists in eastern Ukraine in what has become a grinding war, despite a deal to end it, called the Minsk agreement, negotiated with Putin by the leaders of France and Germany.”

But DeYoung’s synopsis is simply not true. The crisis began in the fall of 2013 when Ukraine’s elected President Viktor Yanukovych backed out of what he regarded as a costly and unacceptable association agreement with the European Union, a move which prompted protests by [many secretly manipulated] Ukrainians in Kiev’s Maidan square.

The Obama administration’s State Department, U.S. neocon politicians such as Sen. John McCain, and various U.S.-backed “non-governmental organizations” then stoked those protests against Yanukovych, which grew violent as trained ultra-nationalist and neo-Nazi street fighters poured in from western Ukraine.

In early 2014, a coup to overthrow the democratically elected Yanukovych took shape under the guidance of U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt who were caught in a phone call in late January or early February 2014 conspiring to impose new leadership inside Ukraine.


Nuland, who is Jewish, and a dedicated hegemonist Neocon, served as architect for the coup in Kiev, despite the fact it was done with the support of ultra-rightists and Neonazis. Such “minor details” don’t seem to matter to imperialists like Nuland.
Nuland disparaged a less extreme strategy favored by European diplomats with the pithy remark: “**** the E.U.” and went on to declare “Yats is the guy,” favoring Arseniy Yatsenyuk as the new leader. Nuland then pondered how to “glue this thing” while Pyatt ruminated about how to “midwife this thing.”

On Feb. 20, 2014, a mysterious sniper apparently firing from a building controlled by the ultranationalist Right Sektor killed both police and protesters, setting off a day of violence that left about 70 people dead including more than a dozen police.

The next day, three European governments struck a deal with Yanukovych in which he agreed to early elections and accepted reduced powers. But that political settlement wasn’t enough for the U.S.-backed militants who stormed government buildings on Feb. 22, forcing Yanukovych and his officials to flee for their lives.

Instead of standing by the Feb. 21 agreement, which the European nations had “guaranteed,” Nuland pushed for and got U.S. allies to accept the new post-coup regime as “legitimate,” with Yatsenyuk becoming prime minister and several top government posts given to the ultranationalists and neo-Nazis.

Spreading Violence

In the ensuing days, the right-wing violence spread beyond Kiev, prompting Crimea’s legislature to propose secession from Ukraine and readmission to Russia, whose relationship to the peninsula dated back to Catherine the Great.

Nazi symbols on helmets worn by members of Ukraine’s Azov battalion. (As filmed by a Norwegian film crew and shown on German TV)

Crimea scheduled a referendum that was opposed by the new regime in Kiev. Russian troops did not “invade” Crimea because some 20,000 were already stationed there as part of a basing agreement at the Black Sea port of Sevastopol. The Russians did provide security for the referendum but there was no evidence of intimidation as the citizens of Crimea voted by 96 percent to leave Ukraine and rejoin Russia, a move that Putin and the Russian duma accepted.

Eastern Ukrainians tried to follow Crimea’s lead with their own referendum, but Putin and Russia rejected their appeals to secede. However, when the Kiev regime launched an “Anti-Terrorism Operation” against the so-called Donbass region – spearheaded by ultra-nationalist and neo-Nazi militias – Russia provided military assistance so these ethnic Russians would not be annihilated.

Karen DeYoung also framed the Minsk agreement as if it were imposed on Putin when he was one of its principal proponents and architects, winning its approval in early 2015 at a time when the Ukrainian military was facing battlefield reversals.

But Assistant Secretary Nuland, working with Prime Minister Yatsenyuk and the Ukrainian parliament, sabotaged the agreement by requiring the Donbass rebels to first surrender which they were unwilling to do, having no faith in the sincerity of the Kiev regime to live up to its commitment to grant limited autonomy to the Donbass.

In other words, Kiev inserted a poison pill to prevent a peaceful resolution, but the Western media and governments always blame the Minsk failure on Putin.


Abject disinformers (or pathetic ignoramuses) like Karen DeYoung (who has been with the Washington Post since 1975, pave the road to world wars and the greatest of tragedies. Career uber truth, always.
If Karen DeYoung wanted to boil all this history down to one paragraph, it might go: “The Ukraine conflict began when U.S. officials supported the violent overthrow of elected President Viktor Yanukovych, prompting Crimea to rejoin Russia and causing ethnic Russians in the east to rise up against the U.S.-backed coup regime in Kiev, which then sought to crush the rebellion. The Kiev regime later torpedoed a peace deal that had been hammered out by Russian, Ukrainian and European negotiators in Minsk.”

But such a summary would not have the desired propaganda effect on the American people. It would not present the U.S.-backed side as the “white hats” and the pro-Russia side as the “black hats.”

The simple truth is that the story of Ukraine is far more complex and multi-sided than The Washington Post, The New York Times and most mainstream U.S. news outlets want to admit. They simply start the clock at the point of Crimea’s rejection of the post-coup regime and distort those facts to present the situation simply as a “Russian invasion.”

from: the did you talk to the Russians?
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Old 02-19-2017, 02:25 PM
 
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Well done Ichoro. You do a great job of sleuthing things out.
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Old 02-19-2017, 02:28 PM
 
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What gets a nurse in a public hospital in Bryansk?
Things will be better under someone other than Putin?

The sun will rise in the west?

Not a bet I would make.
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