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Old 02-15-2017, 04:51 PM
 
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Motorola was quite predictable in his routine - he was a married man, so at certain time of the day he was coming back home to his family
His family was in Rostov. He was the bigamist.
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:28 PM
 
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Another question I would have is how close of a distance you'd have to be at in order to accomplish it? How safe is that distance in order not to be spotted right away by the guards with that weapon ( provided that that's what it was.)
We need a pic of the building and the surrounding area. We can figure out the lines of attack with a rocket. I don't have time to track it down on google earth.
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:37 PM
 
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You have wrong position. Who is Givi and Moto will say history 5-10 years later at least.
10 and 100 years from now the history annals will say the same - these two men of humble beginnings rose to the occasion and did their best to help their own, with all their courage and abilities they've had, ultimately sacrificing their lives for it. And most likely, being betrayed by their authorities - not a first occurrence in Russian history.

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But its now clear that a person who mocks the prisoners of war can not be a hero!
He's a dirty bastard, and not worthy of respect.
I see, you are not happy that Givi was not chivalrous enough with Ukrainian POWs?
He had his own reasons for that.

http://12inform.ru/wp-content/upload.../obmenyali.png

http://img2.ntv.ru/home/news/2014091...p-svastika.jpg

https://riafan.ru/91674-plennogo-rus...enyim-zhelezom



And these ones at least lived to tell. Some didn't make it in Ukrainian captivity at all, and some died after they were already returned during the POWs exchanges. They were so severely beaten in captivity, that their internal organs were already damaged.
Initially Zakharchenko was very generous with Ukrainian POWs, particularly with the recent conscripts - he was downright sending them home to their parents per their request. But with time he (and others) realized that THEIR men couldn't count on the same treatment. That's when it stopped.
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:43 PM
 
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Kornets are very accurate and powerful long range weapons meant to take out tanks and hardened fortifications. Problem is they're large, obvious and heavy, not something you can just ride around town with in a car and stick out the window of a car. The other one is smaller and it would be easier to use in a drive by. An RPG with a special warhead could have been used but you don't have as big a warhead with that. The office was seriously messed up and high temps were involved.

Motorola was killed in an elevator. I saw some pics and it could have been as easy as rolling a grenade into it as the door closed. There could have a bomb planted too. I think this is assassins working and I think they're Ukrainians with special gear, training and support.

They're trying to take out the command structure of the NAF. These guys were excellent leaders. It will be hard to fill their boots but I'm sure they can if needed.
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:46 PM
 
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But its now clear that a person who mocks the prisoners of war can not be a hero!
He's a dirty bastard, and not worthy of respect.
As Erasure points out, you have no argument. They were lucky in was Givi slapping them around.
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:21 PM
 
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His family was in Rostov. He was the bigamist.
As far as I know, he was not making any secrets that he left a family behind.
And as his first wife says in this interview, the reason he left her in the first place - she wouldn't allow him to join the war in Ukraine, (even though they stayed later on in constant contact, because of their son.)

https://ok.ru/odesskied/topic/65565439022347

Motorola was right about his call - he turned out to be a very gifted field commander. As for his second wife - she adored him, ( their second child was born actually few days before he was killed,) but she couldn't have him either. The military was his true call, and he willingly surrendered his life to the cause.
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:06 AM
 
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I've noticed that Radio Free Europe's position on who started the latest hostilities has switched from Ukraine to Russia soon after resignation of Flynn. It might be a reflection of changes in the White House (similar to Kremlin watching in the old days by noting changes in the positions held by the Pravda).

Off Guardian has some snippets on MSM's Ukraine disinformation campaign.

https://off-guardian.org/2017/02/16/35170/
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:24 PM
 
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This man is the killer of MH17 according with bellingcat

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Old 02-16-2017, 05:01 PM
 
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If true sad he has to live with that on his conscience. Bellingcat is not the best of sources.
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:17 PM
 
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Someone among the rebels had to have overseen the deployment of the anti-aircraft missile systems that downed the 4 Ukrainian military transport planes and the 1 civilian jet. It doesn't add much to the information already known.

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/18/5914139...the-last-month
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