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Old 08-30-2014, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Germany
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can one of the Russian speakers maybe locate the original full text of the
Gorbachev interview mentioned here :

http://rt.com/news/183924-russia-gor...aine-military/
I didn't find it at gorby.org
they refer to RSN-radio, could be www.rusnovosti.ru , I'm not sure


М.С.Горбачев.
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Old 08-30-2014, 01:13 PM
 
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Why the West should let Russia have eastern Ukraine

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Putin's Russia seems to have finally launched its bona fide invasion of Ukraine. And many righteously indignant American lawmakers will surely be eager to try to stop Russia (not at any cost), or at least punish it for doing something reprehensible. Ukraine is a sovereign country, and invading sovereign countries is bad (you know, unless you are the United States).

But this thinking misses a crucial dimension of the problem.
Read article: http://theweek.com/article/index/267...astern-ukraine

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Old 08-30-2014, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Germany
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"nation" or not, why can't they just play together nicely like others ?
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Old 08-30-2014, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Sevastopol city, Russia.
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Well, at the end of the day, Ukraine was part of Russia at one point. So, let them kill their own off and the world might just be back on its regular track.
Once, some part of modern Ukraine belonged to the Russian Empire. After that Ukraine was the part of the USSR. Ukraine was an independent state never. History has given her a chance to become the State for 24 years. What came of it - can be seen. In fact, Russia does not need it now. What's next? Well, wait and see.
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Old 08-30-2014, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY.
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Latest holiday pics.
Someone mind splaining to me what 'self-propelled artillery' means, as I am no military expert u see.
Is it like when you press the trigger on a gun, and by some magic the bullet self-propels out of it?
There have been many books, articles, war scenarios, think-tanks, video games which portray WWIII starting either in or over Ukraine.
Ukraine is of strategic and economic importance to Russia, and they will not let it go no matter what.
They didnt when the Mongols came, nor when the Italians came, nor when the Lithuanians+Polish armies came, nor when the Ottomans came, nor when the Germans came... and especially not now!
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Old 08-30-2014, 07:02 PM
 
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'self-propelled artillery'
Self propelled artillery is a cannon that moves itself using either treads or wheels. Towed artillery is you have to haul around behind a truck or a horse.

Self-propelled artillery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Towed Artillery.


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Old 08-30-2014, 07:19 PM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Ukraine is of strategic and economic importance to Russia, and they will not let it go no matter what.
They didn't when the Mongols came, nor when the Italians came, nor when the Lithuanians+Polish armies came, nor when the Ottomans came, nor when the Germans came... and especially not now!
When did the Italians come? You mean the Genoese and the Venetians in the Black Sea/Crimea in the 1200s-1300s?

What about Napoleone? He was half Genoese. Did his armies pass through Ukraine or further north?
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Old 08-30-2014, 09:27 PM
 
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can one of the Russian speakers maybe locate the original full text of the
Gorbachev interview mentioned here :

http://rt.com/news/183924-russia-gor...aine-military/
I didn't find it at gorby.org
they refer to RSN-radio, could be www.rusnovosti.ru , I'm not sure


М.С.Горбачев.
I think it's here, on RSN site, but there is not much more there than on RT.


http://www.rusnovosti.ru/news/338393/

It's almost the same.
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Old 08-30-2014, 09:41 PM
 
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"nation" or not, why can't they just play together nicely like others ?
Because *Ukrainians,* as much as they claim to be "true Europeans" and "different from Russians," share practically each and every ill with Russians.
That's why.
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Old 08-30-2014, 10:34 PM
 
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"nation" or not, why can't they just play together nicely like others ?
Who plays nicely? War has been, is now and most likely will be a sport of mankind for as long as we exist. I don't see it changing.

A great video. These guys in the DNR and LNR are making history.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqSEn2_fEOE
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