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Unlikely. Russians are disorganized and prone to chaotic behavior, which is why they prefer strong leaders to keep them in order. They are too proud to do work that they consider beneath them. Having a regular day to day job is an embarassment to most Russians and instead they daydream of being some sort of warrior-tsar-business-gangster....
Did you ever live in Russia that you are such "specialist" on the country?
I think that I lack understanding on this part. In what way does it affect Russians? I see Russians as all but self sufficient, they've learned from past experience that government can not be relied upon therefore it seems to me they can avoid any serious consequences of government ineptitude. Please enlighten me.
Unlikely. Russians are disorganized and prone to chaotic behavior, which is why they prefer strong leaders to keep them in order. They are too proud to do work that they consider beneath them. Having a regular day to day job is an embarassment to most Russians and instead they daydream of being some sort of warrior-tsar-business-gangster. That is why they make bad employees when they go to other countries and often end up in two bit barely organized crime syndicates. That is, unless they are Russian Jews, who have high IQs, are hard workers and major contributors to global mathematics, science, technology and business.
They make picc poor slaves, unlike Americans who're trained from birth to be dutiful to the state and above all........... obedient.
I think that I lack understanding on this part. In what way does it affect Russians? I see Russians as all but self sufficient, they've learned from past experience that government can not be relied upon therefore it seems to me they can avoid any serious consequences of government ineptitude. Please enlighten me.
I read what this *government* is doing in terms of "educational reforms," in terms of medical service - believe me, it affects Russians, their daily lives, a lot. (I am talking about more visible aspects, but then there are less obvious/visible aspects of this "governing," that are not less devastating nevertheless...)
They make picc poor slaves, unlike Americans who're trained from birth to be dutiful to the state and above all........... obedient.
True that - Russians are much better ( and more efficient) workers when they are inspired by ideas; then they become workaholics. It's difficult to motivate Russians by money; when they are motivated by money - these are mostly the laziest, less capable but demanding types)))
Americans are trained to serve their material interests from birth - this much is true as well.
True that - Russians are much better ( and more efficient) workers when they are inspired by ideas; then they become workaholics. It's difficult to motivate Russians by money; when they are motivated by money - these are mostly the laziest, less capable but demanding types)))
Americans are trained to serve their material interests from birth - this much is true as well.
That didn't take long. See what I mean? Having a job is being a "slave."
Yeah, it really is. There was a period in Russias history the aristocracy made rules where the freed people could not survive something to do with land or whatever. Russians were forced to put themselves into servitude in order to survive.
Now Tj do you have a job? Do you work for someone? If you do, why? Why don't you work for yourself? Work for your benefit instead of someone elses? Do you have a choice TJ?
I have 2 jobs. One for a furniture manufacturing co run by micro-cephalic chimps of absolutely astounding quality and capable of unparalleled feats of abject stupidity, the second is my little home business. The first is about to be clubbed to the curb if another much more rewarding prospect works out. Problem is the system I live in is DESIGNED to limit your choices. It's a capitalist system and the capital calls the shots. I see nothing like the entrepreneurial freedom of Russia anywhere in America and in Russia you will not find the welfare system America has nor the vast amount of people dependent on it.
I remember one time when I was on a train from Moscow to Smolensk. We were stopped on a siding and out the window I saw a grandma her daughter and granddaughter herding about 30 goats, about 10 were kids. The adults wore overalls, the girl bluejeans. They herded the goats through a gate to a field with a large stone house at the back. There was a car and what appeared to be a large garden plot with pigs rooting through it. It made me think. They probably owned the house and car. I was paying for mine. I couldn't afford a goat and I would not be allowed to keep one anyway let alone a small herd. You know how much a female kid is worth? I hear $600. My postage stamp front yard was too small for a garden.
How many Americans can say they had what those women had? Not very many, even fewer actually hold title to it. Those people depend on little, they're free for the most part.
You'll never make me believe that working FOR someone or something is better than working FOR YOURSELF. Working for some one else is servitude and it is of the worst kind when you don't have a choice, then it's SLAVERY.
Yeah, it really is. There was a period in Russias history the aristocracy made rules where the freed people could not survive something to do with land or whatever. Russians were forced to put themselves into servitude in order to survive.
Well...that was called mir or "obshina."
And when you read about it, you'll realize that there was something drastically different between Russia and *Western Europe* when it comes to land's communal ownership. There is a reason you see, why socialism was far more natural way of life for Russians even later in history, than it will ever be for Anglo-Saxons for example. The "duality" of thought was always present in Russia; one train of thought was that "old Russian roots" with mir and collectivism was a positive national feature, and this sentiment was shared by part of Russian upper class. The other part of the upper class in Russia was frowning upon "things Russian" and were pledging their allegiance to Europe considering that "nothing can be better than Europe," that it was the "last word of god" so to speak.
So that's why when the serfdom was over, the upper class in Russia clashed again, regarding the communal ownership of the land. Some wanted to preserve it and some wanted to destroy it, replacing it with "more advanced" system, "Western style."
I guess from their perspective, at that point in time "Western system" was more advanced. However in the long run it becomes more and questionable. ( You are basically making your observations regarding it.)
And as long as Russia is on the map of this world, no matter how much PART of Russian establishment is trying to kill again that "mir" concept in Russians, and set the system work "western style" - i.e. with most efficient stuffing of pockets by few, Russia always presents a danger to America's hegemony. ( America being the apotheosis of the "Western world" here, in theological sense of it.) Why Russia? (not Africa, Latin America and what's not, since they might share similar concepts) - only for a reason that Russia, as the "West" is inseparable part of Christendom.
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