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It's well documented that during WWII there were various groups and organizations who collaborated with the Nazis on many levels for many different reasons some legit some not. Where the rubber meets the road though they were on the losing side and we all who writes the history. Banderas people did murder thousands of ethnic Poles and a few others. The Tatars were auxiliaries of the Wehrmacht and did some terrible things to people north of the Crimea. The Wehrmacht itself dissociated themselves from them because of the atrocities.
The history of the 20th century may not mean a thing to you 2 but to the Russians it does. The very people we're talking about here and that the west is using are the WILLFUL upholders of the legacy of everything evil out of WWII, unless of course we're now willing to call Nazi Germanys legacy a good thing.
Here's an example. 25% of the Belorussian population ceased to exist during the occupation.
The Ukrainians, Belorussians and Russians suffered immensely because of what these people did and the Russians remember it. Your opinion doesn't matter to them. If you approve of it that's your problem.
Please, comrade. Stalin's Russia was the largest German nazi ally in the entire world all way up to June 22nd 1941.
Then Adolf decided to preemt an imminent Soviet attack. Ironically, ethnic Russians were the most numerous ethnic collaborants of the German nazis waging a war on USSR, and you couldnt blame them, Stalin regime was pure evil. Russians love to cite their casualties in WW2, what they dont love is to admit that the bulk of those needless casualties was inflicted by the bestial disregard of Stalin' regime to human life. More than that, modern Russians love Stalin more and more with each passing year. Sick.
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Blood soaked Russian worshipers of Stalin and Empire blame Tartars and Bandera, it is surreal. It is like a mass murderer scolding a boy over a killed fly. The fact remains, Russian Empire/USSR commited mass genocide of Tartars, Russian comrades do their best to justify their genocides. Stalin' Russia murdered a few hundreds thousands of "bandera people" and expelled 1 million + in less than 2 years, 1939-1940, not speaking of the mass slaughter of the poles. There was little or nor guerilla resistance at the time of slaughter. Unlike Germans, Russians worship the maniac and the system behind uncountable millions of the dead. Russian cynicism and hypocrisy knows no bounds. After, all this is a small price to pay for "greatness" and "glory". https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM It was a major mistake not to try Nazi and Soviet regimes together.
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Proxy war coming? If Obama allows weapons to be used in Ukraine it's just pouring gas on the fire. They're probably already there, the US is present at all the major airports in the east and why do you do something like that?
Re: 'Modern Russians love Stalin more and more with each passing year'
Yikes...once again we see the 'Teflon Leader' getting stronger from the grave.
For one having a penchant for seeing his own people as enemies and as traitors and blackguards he's
doing a wonderful job of putting only his 'ideas' into Russian heads.
“Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.”
Stalin
Re: 'Modern Russians love Stalin more and more with each passing year'
Yikes...once again we see the 'Teflon Leader' getting stronger from the grave.
For one having a penchant for seeing his own people as enemies and as traitors and blackguards he's
doing a wonderful job of putting only his 'ideas' into Russian heads.
“Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.”
Stalin
I think Russians got those ideas way before Stalin. They love Stalin because he incorporated Russian nationalism, imperialism, statism, authoritarian populism into the Soviet project. Russians cant stop praising Stalin for extinguishing cosmopolitan revolutionaries like Trotsky to adopt and supercharge old fashioned Russian imperial nazism wrapped in the red banner.
I loved this site, it's so sarcastic, funny and yet truthful. It is a shame the writers gave up on Russia and stopped updating it. Russia and Russians are revealed and analyzed without PC fluff: https://dyingrussia.wordpress.com
Now, as Vladimir Putin has successfully rolled tanks into Ukraine and again faces no significant opposition from the outside world, it is again clear that Putin has won. Our warnings have fallen on deaf ears once again and there is nothing we can do other than what we did back in October 2011, simply shut down activity on this blog in silent protest. You win, Mr. Putin. It obviously requires powers far greater than ours to address the neo-Sovietization of Russia, and it is painfully clear that the people of Russia have no intention of doing so.
Russians bear collective responsibility for their imperial manias and the maniacs they support just because those scary fellows resonate with the deep seated needs of the Russian psyche messed up by 400 years + of the imperial nazi conditionining and all the concomitant garbage.
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There was mention in the media how their president was in fact a president (democratically elected) pre- revolution, unlike say Egypt or Libya, But technically he was impeached in some way by Ukrainian parliament, so I hesitate to call it a coup or Revolution a la Egypt. But Hitler was democratically elected as well. The Ukranian Government is not Nazis, any Ethic cleansing is the Russians against the Crimean tartars, which I've heard reports of.
Yea and given that Lenin and Stalin were worse than Hitler It's funny how russian propaganda finds the enemy always from some other country than their own. That's like the oldest trick in the book, have some external enemy that you need to fight
Proxy war coming? If Obama allows weapons to be used in Ukraine it's just pouring gas on the fire. They're probably already there, the US is present at all the major airports in the east and why do you do something like that?
“Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.”
Stalin
As quoted in Quotations for Public Speakers : A Historical, Literary, and Political Anthology (2001) by Robert G. Torricelli, p. 121
Which is not necessarily true, ( as much as the rest of speculations of Western historians regarding those "20 million killed by Stalin.") The only part I see from this quotation on Russian sites is "Ideas are more powerful than guns." (Which I totally agree with. Spiritual is stronger than material and always will be.)
The second part quoted by Torricelli ( if it ever existed) might be simply taken out of context.
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Yikes...once again we see the 'Teflon Leader' getting stronger from the grave.
There are very good reasons for that, that you refuse to see.
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For one having a penchant for seeing his own people as enemies and as traitors and blackguards he's
doing a wonderful job of putting only his 'ideas' into Russian heads.
Yes it's true that Stalin saw "his own people" ( well part of them) as "enemies and traitors," but that didn't prevent him from being a statesman, a person taking care of the needs of the state first of all - expanding, reinforcing and securing it. And that's the part that Russians want to see in their current leaders.
Hello erasure.....nice to see you come back and chat after your vacation in the Crimea perhaps???...;-)...I'd go too but I'm not to sure this touristski would get a nice reception. Who knows that they'd say about me? But I wouldn't want to put anybody else in hot water by simply talking to me. I have the feeling it would be like going back to the old 'cold war' feeling again over there in 'dem dere parts' where everything takes place in ice buckets..;-)....
Anyway, in talking about Stalin I think Russians compartmentalize their thinking on the old boy. They love and feared and no doubt still fear his ghost which prowls the inner sanctums of the Kremlin and onto the streets and to the houses, families and lands of mother Russia.
Of course he did much to protect them from the Hitlerian sickness. For sure they look up to him for that. But Russians also seem to practice some sort of lobotomy on themselves when it comes to thinking about the millions destroyed in the Russian heartland not by Hitler but by Russians themselves doing Stalin's bidding by pulling the trigger themselves on their citizens and shuttling them off to the utterly dismal gulags. What a rapacious time it was to live in Russia.
It would seem all that is deeply buried in the Russian soul. Perhaps that behavior is the only way to heal from Stalin's attack on the Russian people. And further that that 'love' given to him is given out of deep repression. This 'father' of Russia arguably presents much suffering to its children as the country grows.
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It's funny how russian propaganda finds the enemy always from some other country than their own. That's like the oldest trick in the book, have some external enemy that you need to fight 
