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Old 03-24-2015, 07:56 AM
 
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They pushed hard against the anti-Assad war Obama wanted in 2013, they ripped Obama over the Obamacare rollout until the HHS secretary was fired. Also they are not talking up a war against Iran. anyone who took the Republicans as warmongering cried treason. In 2002 America was out for blood, so a war not a hard proposition for the Bush people to push.
No, they did not.

They were extremely supportive of Obama's war against Syria. They completely ignored the real Benghazi scandal of running guns and militants to Syria and Iraq. They completely ignored the creation of ISIS and other terror groups by the US and its allies. They completely ignored the chemical weapons attacks by the US-backed rebels in Syria or how the chemical agents were trafficked into Syria from Libya by way of Turkey. They completely ignored the fact that the US had been supplying arms to the Syrian rebels since 2011 and instead constantly pushed the notion that all US aid was humanitarian. The list of propaganda by omission is really too long to list here. Most of the news reports on Syria and Iraq are heavily slanted. Observers have frequently pointed that many of the stories and videos are faked. Several of the 'watchdog' groups frequently quoted as the source of news, the Insitute for the Study of War and the Observatory for Human Rights in Syria, are being funded by the US and UK governments.

The Obamacare software rollout was nothing but a botched software project. It has no policy implications on the insurance program.

As for Iran, how much airtime did the Mossad evaulation that Israel was not working on a nuclear weapons program since 2003? I saw it only aired once. On the other hand, the US politicians and the Pentagon-funded national security experts get constant airtime to push the idea that Iran has a nuclear weapons program.

The Iraq war was a war for oil. Saddam had contracted with the Russians, Chinese, and French to develop his oilfields. The US invaded to get in a new government and put up the contracts for rebid.
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Old 03-24-2015, 10:01 AM
 
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Putin hosts European far right and neo nazis in Petersburg.
Russia invites European right-wing extremists to St. Petersburg conference


Comrade Ichoro, were you invited? I seriously dont see any difference between lefty loons and genuine neo nazis just by looking at the identical ways/reasons you both kiss Russian Fuhrer' butt.
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Old 03-24-2015, 11:15 AM
 
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I don't think any of our leaders be they repugicans, dumbocrats, prime ministers, presidents, dictators, warlords, tsars, kings, fascists, nazis, flagellants, dog catchers or what the hell ever are even worth our time of day.

We can type here all day and say what we will but at the end of this day we will not be well served by them nor will anyone else in this world. That's a fact.
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Old 03-24-2015, 11:53 AM
 
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More drama from the garbage can.

Oligarchs at war: Claims of murder among Ukrainian billionaires in High Court case - Home News - UK - The Independent
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Old 03-24-2015, 01:45 PM
 
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media sock puppet program started for Iraq war

Pentagon military analyst program - SourceWatch
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Old 03-24-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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Seems we have some real mean spirited people here. No further comment needed.
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Old 03-24-2015, 02:15 PM
 
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I think Russia would like to see the European Union break up, but that may come about anyways. The conservative nationalist parties in southern Europe are gaining momentum as the public viewed the established governments as beholden to external creditors. The sanctions against Russia are ineffective and the EU is taking on the brunt of the costs for a US regime change operatio in Ukraine.
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Old 03-24-2015, 03:27 PM
 
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Actually how come their democratic elected governement is so "nazi"? Only place I have seen this mentioned is russian propaganda. Is there any actual proof(maybe a stupid question )?
There was mention in the media how their president was in fact a president (democratically elected) pre- revolution, unlike say Egypt or Libya, But technically he was impeached in some way by Ukrainian parliament, so I hesitate to call it a coup or Revolution a la Egypt. But Hitler was democratically elected as well. The Ukranian Government is not Nazis, any Ethic cleansing is the Russians against the Crimean tartars, which I've heard reports of.
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Old 03-24-2015, 06:31 PM
 
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There was mention in the media how their president was in fact a president (democratically elected) pre- revolution, unlike say Egypt or Libya, But technically he was impeached in some way by Ukrainian parliament, so I hesitate to call it a coup or Revolution a la Egypt. But Hitler was democratically elected as well. The Ukranian Government is not Nazis, any Ethic cleansing is the Russians against the Crimean tartars, which I've heard reports of.
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Actually how come their democratic elected governement is so "nazi"? Only place I have seen this mentioned is russian propaganda. Is there any actual proof(maybe a stupid question
It's well documented that during WWII there were various groups and organizations who collaborated with the Nazis on many levels for many different reasons some legit some not. Where the rubber meets the road though they were on the losing side and we all who writes the history. Banderas people did murder thousands of ethnic Poles and a few others. The Tatars were auxiliaries of the Wehrmacht and did some terrible things to people north of the Crimea. The Wehrmacht itself dissociated themselves from them because of the atrocities.

The history of the 20th century may not mean a thing to you 2 but to the Russians it does. The very people we're talking about here and that the west is using are the WILLFUL upholders of the legacy of everything evil out of WWII, unless of course we're now willing to call Nazi Germanys legacy a good thing.

Here's an example. 25% of the Belorussian population ceased to exist during the occupation.

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It is estimated that Belarus lost a quarter of its prewar population in World War II, including most of its intellectual elite and 90% of the country’s Jewish population. Following encirclement battles of Operation Barbarossa, by the end of August 1941 all modern-day Belarus was occupied by Nazi Germany. The Nazis imposed a brutal regime, deporting to Germany some 380,000 young people for slave labour, and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. At least 5,295 Belarusian settlements were destroyed and their inhabitants killed (out of 9,200 settlements that were burned or otherwise destroyed in Belarus during World War II). 243 Belarusian villages were burned down twice, 83 villages three times, and 22 villages were burned down four or more times in the Vitebsk region. 92 villages were burned down twice, 40 villages three times, nine villages four times, and six villages five or more times in the Mińsk region.[8] More than 600 villages like Chatyń were burned with their entire population.[8][9] More than 209 cities and towns (out of 270 total) were destroyed. Himmler had pronounced a plan according to which ¾ of Belarusian population was designated for "eradication" and ¼ of racially cleaner population (blue eyes, light hair) would be allowed to serve Germans as slaves. Lucy Dawidowicz estimated that out of approximately 375,000 Jews living in the Belarusian SSR, 245,000 (65%) died in the Holocaust.[10]
The Ukrainians, Belorussians and Russians suffered immensely because of what these people did and the Russians remember it. Your opinion doesn't matter to them. If you approve of it that's your problem.
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Old 03-24-2015, 06:56 PM
 
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Putin hosts European far right and neo nazis in Petersburg.
Russia invites European right-wing extremists to St. Petersburg conference


Comrade Ichoro, were you invited? I seriously dont see any difference between lefty loons and genuine neo nazis just by looking at the identical ways/reasons you both kiss Russian Fuhrer' butt.
Awesome picture ! lol
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