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Old 08-31-2020, 04:14 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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"Trashed Russia's reputation?"

What "Russia's reputation?"

Everyone knows by now that Russia is authoritarian country, so what's there to "trash?"
Russia has a favorable rating with the Belarusian people. But that is falling (just as it did in Ukraine). As Putin rushes to guarantee "stability" he creates anti Russian resentment. Just watch, it will continue.
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Old 08-31-2020, 05:18 PM
 
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The West assuming some righteous position and wagging its collective finger at Russia - "Shame on you, how dare..."
Yet no one could still explain to me why the West doesn't recognize any opposition to Putin in Russia, except for Navalny.

the West does recognize other opposition, for example Yabloko, but its leader is too old and low energy to be considered a real opposition any more, so it's not of much interest to the West.
Navalny on the other hand is relatively young, very popular especially among younger generations, very energetic, hence he gets all the attention.
All other "opposition" parties like LDPR, Spravedlivaya Rossiya etc. are just Kremlin's toys, clearly corrupted by them to serve as fake opposition.


I'm not excluding that Navalny may have some support from the West in form of money and/or intelligence against the Kremlin, but, without such support how can one possibly fight the Kremlin's organized crime group, which use killings and poisonings as their political tools?
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Old 08-31-2020, 08:37 PM
 
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the West does recognize other opposition, for example Yabloko, but its leader is too old and low energy to be considered a real opposition any more, so it's not of much interest to the West.
IT WAS THE WEST THAT THREW YAVLINSKY ( Yabloko's leader) UNDER THE BUS, declining his original plan for economic restructure of post-Soviet Russia, and appointing Gaidar for reform implementation instead.

Yavlinsky's plan actually served Russian national interests, but Gaidar ( unlike Yavlinsky) was ready to serve American financial interests above all.

So there you have it.

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Navalny on the other hand is relatively young, very popular especially among younger generations, very energetic, hence he gets all the attention.
All other "opposition" parties like LDPR, Spravedlivaya Rossiya etc. are just Kremlin's toys, clearly corrupted by them to serve as fake opposition.
Yavlinsky dubbed them all as "one and the same party," and he was right about that one.

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I'm not excluding that Navalny may have some support from the West in form of money and/or intelligence against the Kremlin, but, without such support how can one possibly fight the Kremlin's organized crime group, which use killings and poisonings as their political tools?
Do you understand now, how dumb the West was, when it decided to place all the money, all the riches of the country in few hands in the name of "fighting Communism" and creating "private property" in Russia overnight?

Because with riches, all the political power went into those few hands as well.
And once there - why would these people want to part with it?

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Old 08-31-2020, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Russia
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the West does recognize other opposition, for example Yabloko, but its leader is too old and low energy to be considered a real opposition any more, so it's not of much interest to the West.
Navalny on the other hand is relatively young, very popular especially among younger generations, very energetic, hence he gets all the attention.
All other "opposition" parties like LDPR, Spravedlivaya Rossiya etc. are just Kremlin's toys, clearly corrupted by them to serve as fake opposition.
Yeah ... 3-4% it of course is wildly popularity

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I'm not excluding that Navalny may have some support from the West in form of money and/or intelligence against the Kremlin, but, without such support how can one possibly fight the Kremlin's organized crime group, which use killings and poisonings as their political tools?
And where did the unemployed man get the money to train his daughter at Stanford?
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Old 08-31-2020, 11:51 PM
 
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Russia has a favorable rating with the Belarusian people. But that is falling (just as it did in Ukraine). As Putin rushes to guarantee "stability" he creates anti Russian resentment. Just watch, it will continue.

Yet another statement produced by *cognitive dissonance*.

When/if Russia has "favorable rating" for someone ( Belorussians in this case) - then people want to stick closer to Russia when faced with choice.
If people want to get away from Russia ( i.e. looking for ties with the West instead,) that's NOT "favorable rating" for Russia, period.
Same thing with Ukrainians.
Russia had a "favorable rating" with Ukrainians from the South-Eastern part of the country, they didn't want to break the ties with Russia, but nobody asked their opinion; they were forced to accept coup d'etat in Kiev, supported by people from other regions, that didn't have "favorable rating" for Russia.



So there was nothing to "fall" there as you claim.
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Old 09-01-2020, 01:03 AM
 
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the West does recognize other opposition, for example Yabloko, but its leader is too old and low energy to be considered a real opposition any more, so it's not of much interest to the West.
Navalny on the other hand is relatively young, very popular especially among younger generations, very energetic, hence he gets all the attention.
All other "opposition" parties like LDPR, Spravedlivaya Rossiya etc. are just Kremlin's toys, clearly corrupted by them to serve as fake opposition.


I'm not excluding that Navalny may have some support from the West in form of money and/or intelligence against the Kremlin, but, without such support how can one possibly fight the Kremlin's organized crime group, which use killings and poisonings as their political tools?

P.S. I would want you to pay close, close attention to this article on Navalny.
There is a thing or two you might not know about him.


"Navalny has never, for instance, made any attempt to hide his Russian nationalist sympathies. In 2006, he openly said the Russian March (an ultra-nationalist, far-right demonstration) should take place, and a year later he founded a political organisation, The People, which aligned with the openly nationalist Great Russia and Movement Against Illegal Immigration movements..


...Since its independence from the Soviet Union, Georgia has been a staunch Western ally, contributing thousands of troops to Nato operations in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Navalny, though, did not support the West in the conflict. Not only did he back the invasion, he also called for the expulsion of Georgian people from Russia and called them ‘rodents’ (grizuni) – a common ethnic slur used by Russian nationalists."
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Old 09-01-2020, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine
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Somewhere on Russia

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Old 09-01-2020, 10:44 AM
 
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And?
This is the city of Krivoy Rog in Ukraine ( just an example,) the native city of president Zelensky out of all people.
Is it getting any better under American colonization?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdZflwlceLY&t=1152s


So what's your point, Vadik?
Quit trolling already, will you?

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Old 09-01-2020, 05:02 PM
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Yet another statement produced by *cognitive dissonance*.

When/if Russia has "favorable rating" for someone ( Belorussians in this case) - then people want to stick closer to Russia when faced with choice.
If people want to get away from Russia ( i.e. looking for ties with the West instead,) that's NOT "favorable rating" for Russia, period.
Same thing with Ukrainians.
Russia had a "favorable rating" with Ukrainians from the South-Eastern part of the country, they didn't want to break the ties with Russia, but nobody asked their opinion; they were forced to accept coup d'etat in Kiev, supported by people from other regions, that didn't have "favorable rating" for Russia.
There is no choice being made by Belarusians between Russia and the West here. Perhaps you are projecting that Putin is making this their choice. Or you are just drumming the state TV propaganda that this uprising is anti-Russian, in which I agree that this is sort of what will happen if they keep it up.

Ukrainians were choosing between the west and Russia... different situation. Same result though, as the South Eastern Ukrainians never asked to be attacked by Russia.
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Old 09-01-2020, 05:08 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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And?
This is the city of Krivoy Rog in Ukraine ( just an example,) the native city of president Zelensky out of all people.
Is it getting any better under American colonization?
If you want an actual video of what Kirvoy Rog looks like, you would watch this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LKjoo6FRkg

If you go to 3:00 minute you even hear Russian being spoken yet those children aren't being attacked by nazis, go figure. As a rust belt eastern city it isn't as nice as further west in the country but it isn't horrible.
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