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Old 09-28-2018, 11:24 AM
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Putin creates conflicts with the West and presents their response as attacks on Russia. This is how he consolidates his power.
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Old 09-28-2018, 01:24 PM
 
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Putin creates conflicts with the West and presents their response as attacks on Russia. This is how he consolidates his power.
Yes, Yes, he doesn't want to pay or repent. Then he will always be to blame.

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Old 09-28-2018, 01:38 PM
 
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Putin creates conflicts with the West and presents their response as attacks on Russia. This is how he consolidates his power.
Truth to be told - initially Putin didn't want any conflicts with the West. ( After all, the power of his ruling class was entrenched in Western banking system - that's where they were all buying mansions, yachts and what's not.) In fact Putin wanted to make his upper class ( and country overall) an inseparable part of the West. That was his plan, originally.
The West however knowing Russia's weakness at that point decided to take an advantage and to advance its interests, circling Russia, establishing the governments loyal to it in former Russian sphere of influence and so on ans so on. These were the covert actions, but Putin responded to them out in the open.
And immediately was labeled as "aggressor" by the West.
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Old 09-28-2018, 03:34 PM
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Spreading democracy to former Soviet colonies wasn't covert. We help ourselves when we help countries that want to live like we do. This isn't a secret anti Russian plan. Naturally authoritarian states will perceive this as hostile and something to "respond to". Invading Ukraine accomplished nothing for Russians (they aren't living better as a result) but it cemented Putin in power at the cost of splitting the historic Russia into 2 states, one based in Kiev and one based in Moscow.
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Old 09-28-2018, 04:38 PM
 
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Spreading democracy to former Soviet colonies wasn't covert. We help ourselves when we help countries that want to live like we do. This isn't a secret anti Russian plan. Naturally authoritarian states will perceive this as hostile and something to "respond to". Invading Ukraine accomplished nothing for Russians (they aren't living better as a result) but it cemented Putin in power at the cost of splitting the historic Russia into 2 states, one based in Kiev and one based in Moscow.
I'll correct you. Replacing the corrupt and greedy politicans of a country with those corrupt, greedy and above all obedient to you irregardless of what the populace of said countries think is what Murika does.
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Old 09-28-2018, 04:42 PM
 
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Informative video about Russias upgrade in Syria.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0bAnFMhirY
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Old 09-28-2018, 04:58 PM
 
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Spreading democracy to former Soviet colonies wasn't covert. We help ourselves when we help countries that want to live like we do. This isn't a secret anti Russian plan. Naturally authoritarian states will perceive this as hostile and something to "respond to". Invading Ukraine accomplished nothing for Russians (they aren't living better as a result) but it cemented Putin in power at the cost of splitting the historic Russia into 2 states, one based in Kiev and one based in Moscow.
I thought you could spare me American propaganda by now.
Can you stop it already pretty please?

When Trump is saying "You think our country's so innocent?," I have to give him credit where the credit is due.
He is the embodiment of American capitalism - yes, but at least he is not pretentious as someone else, pushing the "American exceptionalism" on god knows what ground already.
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Old 09-28-2018, 05:00 PM
 
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One day I hope to go visit Russia.
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Old 09-28-2018, 10:17 PM
 
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I'll correct you. Replacing the corrupt and greedy politicans of a country with those corrupt, greedy and above all obedient to you irregardless of what the populace of said countries think is what Murika does.
They used to call it Manifest Destiny. Taking over another peoples' land and property for their own good. Setting up a government to take care of them while the resources were transferred to settlers and the riches exported back to the homeland. Bremmer codified it in the 100 laws when the US invaded Iraq. They wanted to outlaw unions,bring in foreign laborers, exempt US corporations from taxes, and require Iraq to give an ownership stake in Iraq's oil reserves to US oil companies. It can be done by funding labor unions, student groups, and activist groups such as done by NED, CIA, USAID, etc. The serial rebellions staged by the US and the Israel's step-wise settlement expansion are probably two good modern examples of Manifest Destiny.
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Old 09-29-2018, 08:12 AM
 
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I copied this over since the Off-Guardian article with the French news link is now missing.

Earlier this year, noted French counter-terrorism and personal security expert Captain Paul Barril was invited to visit the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR). The intention of the planned visit was to consult with the DPR’s Prime-Minister, Alexander Zakharchenko, on issues of protection and personal security. However, before the two men could meet, Mr Zakharchenko was assassinated with a bomb in the Separ cafe in Donetsk.

In this interview Capt. Barril makes some shocking revelations about his murder (translated from the French):

INT: This September you were going to meet Alexander Zakharchenko, the leader of the Donetsk People’s Republic, to share certain information with his protection service. Do you know (or have any idea) who killed him?!
CB: I know who killed Alexander Zakharchenko in Donetsk. This was done by the 3rd Special Operations Regiment of the Defence Intelligence of Ukraine. Training was provided by US instructors at the Khmelnitsky Training Centre, one of their bases in Ukraine.

It is important to understand the context. Donbass is a very sensitive zone, where NATO in engaged in a proxy war against Russia. Ukraine serves as a NATO stooge, but Donetsk is on Russia’s side. The Head of the DPR (Donetsk People’s Republic) Alexander Zakharchenko was pro-Moscow and Putin’s close supporter. You need to know that since 2014 various western intelligence services have been operating in Donbass. In April 2014 the CIA chief John Brennan came to Kiev using a fictitious name to give instructions (for Euromaidan). And now they have CIA instructors over there, Canadians too. They undertake specific action to crush the Donetsk Republic.

INT: Thus, you claim, Canadians, Americans and British are connected with the Ukrainian secret services – with the SBU & Ukraine’s Military Intelligence?

CB: All forces that oppose Russia are now present in Ukraine. Actually, by committing the murder of the Donetsk leader they struck a painful blow to Russia, albeit not directly.

INT: How did they commit this murder?

CB: The murder was undertaken in the “Separ” cafe which is in a very well protected zone in the centre of Donetsk. They hid a tiny smart bomb above the entrance in the lobby, undetected by sniffer dogs. When the leader walked in, the bomb was activated from a long distance and exploded. The blast killed Alexander Zakharchenko and his bodyguard, critically injured a lady and left his deputy, Alexander Tashkent (who was a second target), badly burnt and shell-shocked.

There is more to the extract here.

Capt. Paul Barril: “We know who killed Alexander Zakharchenko.” ~ Mike Norman Economics
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