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Ha-ha, if the director of that gymnasium is not going to be murdered ( in connection with this concert devoted to Soviet music,) I wonder whether they'll include such popular Soviet singer as Тынис Мяги, to acknowledge contribution of Estonian people to mentioned above "Soviet Music" ?
P.S. On a subject of Soviet times - the latest I saw on Russian sites;
"They lied us a lot about the life in the Soviet Union. But everything they warned us about capitalism turned out to be true."
haha, indeed. The director of that gymnasium says: "We want to celebrate the anniversary of republic by devoting these concerts to Russia and all those many people who have good memories from Soviet era. It is the time to be more greathearted and not narrow-minded any more". And they are going to sing there just Soviet pop songs of those times (Pugachova, Jaak Joala(! etc too), not really any "Vstavaj, strana ogromnaja" or something like that.
One of the students who has been interviewed and who sings the songs in the concert, a contemporary young girl says that she liked the melodies of old soviet songs and their different tune, different from contemporary songs".
But yeah, that message of the director was not liked by many.The director says he has been threatened
But I must say in general I personally have got an impression that ordinary Estonian people, "people from street", people of real life, not the internet people have not (many: not at all) negatively minded in regards of Russia/soviet era but I have a feeling that it looks like those anti-Russian sentiments here are actually like "cultivated" by someone...
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"They lied us a lot about the life in the Soviet Union. But everything they warned us about capitalism turned out to be true."
well, yeah- that post-soviet era capitalism. It seems that writer Nikolai Nosov was a great prophet for that matter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunno_on_the_Moon
I suppose you know who was Dunno with his friends. Of course you know ! This book describes so so well the capitalism here.
I have to ask. What's wrong with living a life like this? It's not for people who prefer the finer things in life that's for sure but I know of people who spurn the city and prefer something else. There was a guy I heard of who made large sums of money in Moscow started a family and moved out to live with the wolves. A family I know lives north of Smolensk in a rural village and have everything they need. That includes sattelite TV and last I knew a BMW.
But I must say in general I personally have got an impression that ordinary Estonian people, "people from street", people of real life, not the internet people have not (many: not at all) negatively minded in regards of Russia/soviet era but I have a feeling that it looks like those anti-Russian sentiments here are actually like "cultivated" by someone...
Naturally it was Americans who made Estonians hostile to Russia. Americans created negative memories of oppression when the truth is Estonians loved being oppressed.
But yeah, that message of the director was not liked by many.The director says he has been threatened
But I must say in general I personally have got an impression that ordinary Estonian people, "people from street", people of real life, not the internet people have not (many: not at all) negatively minded in regards of Russia/soviet era but I have a feeling that it looks like those anti-Russian sentiments here are actually like "cultivated" by someone...
That's the way it works. I had a conversation with an older lady just a couple of weeks ago and just a minute or so into it I knew where it was going. She's been so conditioned in her life to see Russia/Soviet Union as bad she knows NOTHING else and will REFUSE anything to the contrary. Period, end of story. I was conditioned as a kid in this fashion but my experiences there and my knowledge of Russias history and culture told me something was wrong with what I was taught.
Propaganda is the creation of deceit and the perpetuation of ignorance for a purpose. That purpose is to control people.
Naturally it was Americans who made Estonians hostile to Russia. Americans created negative memories of oppression when the truth is Estonians loved being oppressed.
No, Estonians and no people in the world, did not "love being oppressed". The thing obviously is that you do not know how the life in soviet era was. And the thing is that I know. Yes, you want to start to talk now about Stalin and GULAG archipelagos but this is only a really armchair knowldege of the reality. Stalin's repressions and deportations and lack of national independence were certainly bad but it was like only small part of the whole life in what period under ussr. There were some things in soviet reality what were good: social guarantees, everybody had a normal income, there was no unemployment, nobody was that poor and many other such things which are only a daydream for many Estonians of independent Estonia.
Overall, don't you think most of people actually did not care and do not care about politics and wanted and want live the lifes of their owns. Yes, the right-wings lecture that hard work is the path to welfare. Do you think it is fantastic to work eg as a shop assistant in contemporary capitalist Estonia? Workdays fulfilled with that hard work last for 13 hrs, sometimes more and in every month you'll get for it as many as 482 euros. (In last year 398,46 € (wow!) -that is the official minimum wage but I suspect most of employers do not pay them more). You'll be given a vacation of 14 days in a row but do not be surprised if you are asked to go to work during that vacation (Obviuously and hopefully our shop assistants do not that often spend their holidays in Hawai and thus they can gladly help if necessary for their employer).
It is not that simple with Jung's personalities types, which are now up to 32?
One just cannot label people or judge by appearance.
I took Jung's test just for a hell of it. The result is INTJ. First two are right, third debatable, fourth plain wrong.
I worked on introvert from teenage years. If you do not know me closely, you would think I am a party animal...I hate small talk, but, I can talk your ears off at a party - have about 10 different themes ready (apart from the weather)...I am very emotional, but, I learned to control and never show them - rather F type? Because I am not a Thinker.
Not that I remember all "32 types" of that Myers-Briggs System, but believe me, from what I am reading here - you are as "T" as it gets)))
The first tell-tale sign is that you "cannot label people or judge by appearance." Because that's what "F"s usually do - (particularly extroverted "Fs,") and usually with a good accuracy for the most part.
Another thing - it's usually the "T" people that are "flying off the hook" when it comes to emotional part, and they have more difficulty to "sort out" their feelings ( if you think that "T" means "no emotions," you are wrong then))) )
Now when it comes to "introversion" part - yet again, your description doesn't reflect the main "identifying feature" of introversion. While it's true for the most part that introverts tend to keep to themselves and don't crave big crowds, you'll meet plenty of them that are very outgoing and have gazillion of friends/acquaintances.
Likewise, you'll find the extroverts ("J"s in particular I'd think) who'll be rather selective in their real life, while devoting themselves to a lot of books or www. instead
Because what REALLY distinguishes introverts from extroverts, is not the easiness of communication ( or lack of thereof,) but the way each type functions. The introverts have tendency to live in their own world, that they project on the outer world, while the extroverts are more tuned to what's going elsewhere, absorbing the "outer world," and generating own thoughts on the basis of it.
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Our unconscious mind betray us though through our body language.
That is, if you feel/know that you have something to hide.
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But, of course all this theories can go wrong.
In one of Conan Doyle's stories one woman was extremely nervous and was " fidgeting" during interrogation and became a suspect. To make a long story short - she forgot to powder her nose and was sitting near the lamp worrying that bright light might show it...
Well that was still "subconscious," wasn't it? Just one of the variables, that investigators couldn't quite pick up under the circumstances, and for understandable reasons)))
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Back to Grudinin - my understanding is that he was in public light for some time - so he should not be "fidgeting"?
Why not?
As I've said - he is an "F" person, ( plus an extrovert at that,) and it's not the "public" ( or rather the fear of public speech) that makes him fidget. The reason he is fidgeting, is because it's essential for him to FEEL satisfied by the way he expressed his thoughts. So pausing and looking for better ways to express himself will be ALWAYS essential part of his communication.( Unless of course the speech is going to be prepared for him, and once he finds it acceptable, then he can deliver it with no typical pauses I'd think.)
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To me it was a sign of weakness right from the first video.
"T" men often perceive the "F" men as a "weaker link," and sometimes it's a case, but sometimes it's a very deceptive "weakness." In the latter case I'd say "on your guard," because as once a friend ( psychologist) told me, "no one can be as ruthless and destructive in their move to annihilate you, as "F" people if they'll get to that point."
I personally don't perceive Grudinin as a weak person, in spite of all is smiles and *fidgeting.*
After all, to make it through the nineties, to not to become a part of regular mafia, but still to survive, to stay afloat and then to thrive, takes some stamina and brains.
Where I DO see his shortcomings though, is international affairs.
I can see that he is not savvy in that area ( unlike Putin) at all.
What he ( and those behind him) are offering, is the kind of system that should have replaced the Soviet Union in the first place, instead of the "successful thuggery" model that was imposed on Russia back in the 90ies.
(But I am afraid that it's a bit too late for it now...)
Hey, he himself is a millionaire now (as in $$$). So, he is building capitalistichesky socialism.
I spent 2 hours watching his videos to figure him out - did not see fidgeting - only once when they asked him about closing his accounts in Western Europe. I liked what I saw, seems to be a decent, confident, bold man - cares about his sovhoz children and pensioners. He has a sense of humor.
I liked his reply "If you think I am a thief who do you think Putin is?" and
"Is somebody looking into Putin's accounts?" I hope he has body guards.
Looks like he is popular too.
Are there any debates with Putin scheduled? It will be interesting to watch.
What did you expect us to do? Say nicely to Hitler that don't starve this city? Not that we really did care that much. Easier to do just nothing.
Norway, Sweden and Finland pitched in by helping a lot of St Petersburg orphans. Between them they took in many thousands. I've never found anything on the internet about it but I read it in a book many years ago. Russia was in a bad state and many of these children were most likely saved on top of it.
Ari. Can you find anything on this? I know it happened.
The Sweden and Finland were in between 2 great powers and Hitler proposed invading Sweden at one point, They didn't want anything to do with the war and took the best course they coud see.
Not that I remember all "32 types" of that Myers-Briggs System, but believe me, from what I am reading here - you are as "T" as it gets)))
The first tell-tale sign is that you "cannot label people or judge by appearance." Because that's what "F"s usually do - (particularly extroverted "Fs,") and usually with a good accuracy for the most part.
Another thing - it's usually the "T" people that are "flying off the hook" when it comes to emotional part, and they have more difficulty to "sort out" their feelings ( if you think that "T" means "no emotions," you are wrong then))) )
Now when it comes to "introversion" part - yet again, your description doesn't reflect the main "identifying feature" of introversion. While it's true for the most part that introverts tend to keep to themselves and don't crave big crowds, you'll meet plenty of them that are very outgoing and have gazillion of friends/acquaintances.
Likewise, you'll find the extroverts ("J"s in particular I'd think) who'll be rather selective in their real life, while devoting themselves to a lot of books or www. instead
Because what REALLY distinguishes introverts from extroverts, is not the easiness of communication ( or lack of thereof,) but the way each type functions. The introverts have tendency to live in their own world, that they project on the outer world, while the extroverts are more tuned to what's going elsewhere, absorbing the "outer world," and generating own thoughts on the basis of it.
That is, if you feel/know that you have something to hide.
Well that was still "subconscious," wasn't it? Just one of the variables, that investigators couldn't quite pick up under the circumstances, and for understandable reasons)))
Why not?
As I've said - he is an "F" person, ( plus an extrovert at that,) and it's not the "public" ( or rather the fear of public speech) that makes him fidget. The reason he is fidgeting, is because it's essential for him to FEEL satisfied by the way he expressed his thoughts. So pausing and looking for better ways to express himself will be ALWAYS essential part of his communication.( Unless of course the speech is going to be prepared for him, and once he finds it acceptable, then he can deliver it with no typical pauses I'd think.)
"T" men often perceive the "F" men as a "weaker link," and sometimes it's a case, but sometimes it's a very deceptive "weakness." In the latter case I'd say "on your guard," because as once a friend ( psychologist) told me, "no one can be as ruthless and destructive in their move to annihilate you, as "F" people if they'll get to that point."
I personally don't perceive Grudinin as a weak person, in spite of all is smiles and *fidgeting.*
After all, to make it through the nineties, to not to become a part of regular mafia, but still to survive, to stay afloat and then to thrive, takes some stamina and brains.
Where I DO see his shortcomings though, is international affairs.
I can see that he is not savvy in that area ( unlike Putin) at all.
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etc too), not really any "Vstavaj, strana ogromnaja" or something like that.
