11-16-2009, 06:11 PM
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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So true. As a group, they are considered fair game for "dislike" because they are white protestants. The same folks that are being critical of the Dutch Reformed on this thread would cry foul if similar things were said about a different group of people.
I don't have a problem with basically ANY religion, until they start proselytizing all non-believers, try turning our country into a theocracy, or start treating "outsiders" as third rate. That's when I start throwing barbs at them (well deserved).
If the entire globe kept their religious beliefs to themselves, think of how great this planet would be.
11-16-2009, 08:22 PM
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So true. As a group, they are considered fair game for "dislike" because they are white protestants. The same folks that are being critical of the Dutch Reformed on this thread would cry foul if similar things were said about a different group of people.
I am a white "Protestant" [well fundamentalist]
So its wrong to be honest about criticisms of any group? I know I was taking a risk here being honest about how I felt. Maybe I should have couched it differently and written there are aspects of that culture that are NOT for me. I will say I got a bit emotional and did broad brush it a bit so sorry about that.
Anyhow right now I have no contact with Dutch Reformed so I am not making of them miserable.
I do take each person as an individual FIRST anyhow and would not know what church someone goes to unless they told me. There Dutch people Im sure like Irish who left their families religion anyhow.
11-17-2009, 05:13 AM
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i don't have a problem with basically any religion, until they start proselytizing all non-believers, try turning our country into a theocracy, or start treating "outsiders" as third rate. That's when i start throwing barbs at them (well deserved).
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11-17-2009, 08:30 AM
Location: Vermont
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I find most people's statements about the intolerance of the Dutch Reform, CRC, etc offensive. Seriously. If we were having this discussion about those of the Jewish Faith, or people who are here as Sudanese refugees it would immediately labeled as bigotry.
So apparently you've never seen the "If you ain't Dutch, you ain't mutch" bumperstickers you see all over the place in the Grand Rapids area?
11-17-2009, 07:52 PM
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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So apparently you've never seen the "If you ain't Dutch, you ain't mutch" bumperstickers you see all over the place in the Grand Rapids area?
Huh? I've never seen one of those in Grand Rapids, and I've lived here 15 years. Maybe a few Jesus fish here and there.
11-17-2009, 09:48 PM
Location: West Michigan
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Huh? I've never seen one of those in Grand Rapids, and I've lived here 15 years. Maybe a few Jesus fish here and there.
I've lived in the Grand Rapids area my entire life and have never seen that quote on a bumper sticker but I sure have heard it said many, many times...usually in a joking manner by a Christian Reform person. I've also seen it on a coffee cup or two. To me, it's akin to having the t-shirts or cups that boast about being Irish.
11-17-2009, 10:55 PM
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East coast progressives in Michigan???? Hmmm I dont think they will like anywhere in Michigan exept maybe Ann Arbor. Michigan is a state of pick up driving, deer hunting, beer drinking, gun owning NRA members who may or may not belong to the Michigan Militia. Why on earth would an east coast liberal even think of moving here? I think they would be more comfortable in their ultra tolerant, latte drinking, prius driving, tree hugging northeastern homestate. If they do move out here, THEY should change and adapt to our culture, not preach to us about how we ignorant provinicals need to be enlightend.
11-17-2009, 11:41 PM
Location: West Michigan
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East coast progressives in Michigan???? Hmmm I dont think they will like anywhere in Michigan exept maybe Ann Arbor. Michigan is a state of pick up driving, deer hunting, beer drinking, gun owning NRA members who may or may not belong to the Michigan Militia. Why on earth would an east coast liberal even think of moving here? I think they would be more comfortable in their ultra tolerant, latte drinking, prius driving, tree hugging northeastern homestate. If they do move out here, THEY should change and adapt to our culture, not preach to us about how we ignorant provinicals need to be enlightend.
Wow, I can't believe you really believe those stereotypes apply to the entire state. It simply isn't true.
11-18-2009, 08:24 AM
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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East coast progressives in Michigan???? Hmmm I dont think they will like anywhere in Michigan exept maybe Ann Arbor. Michigan is a state of pick up driving, deer hunting, beer drinking, gun owning NRA members who may or may not belong to the Michigan Militia. Why on earth would an east coast liberal even think of moving here? I think they would be more comfortable in their ultra tolerant, latte drinking, prius driving, tree hugging northeastern homestate. If they do move out here, THEY should change and adapt to our culture, not preach to us about how we ignorant provinicals need to be enlightend.
Bwahahahahaha!
Hey, Sarah Palin is in GR today if you want to see some of your peeps.
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11-18-2009, 09:13 AM
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East coast progressives in Michigan???? Hmmm I dont think they will like anywhere in Michigan exept maybe Ann Arbor. Michigan is a state of pick up driving, deer hunting, beer drinking, gun owning NRA members who may or may not belong to the Michigan Militia. Why on earth would an east coast liberal even think of moving here? I think they would be more comfortable in their ultra tolerant, latte drinking, prius driving, tree hugging northeastern homestate. If they do move out here, THEY should change and adapt to our culture, not preach to us about how we ignorant provinicals need to be enlightend.
I grew up in the Northeast and also spent many years in Washington DC (now live in Michigan) and definitely disagree with the thought that the liberal Northeast is ultra tolerant. If you don't have a liberal worldview, you're not welcome to share your opinion or thoughts. Surpressing all-things conservative is the mantra in most media and educational outlets.
And by the way - Latte drinking is the minority, trumped by Dunkin Donuts. They own the Northeast coffee drinkers.
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Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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