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10. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
Seems like a simple concept. You wanna keep having kids and then cry "they need to eat". OK. We'll feed them, in the childrens home that they'll be living in and going to school from. You can even visit them 24/7 but you CAN'T live here and we won't be feeding any able bodied adults. And unemployment is NOT welfare. Its a partial refund. Very partial.
I don't take any offense to the rebuttals on my posts. My opinions are just that...opinions...if you don't like them "TS" (tough situation).
My general consensus is that a majority if not all posts are those who work for a paycheck every week. Good for you as long as your satisfied with your goal in life. More power to you.
I had the misfortune at a young age to collect unemployment for a couple of weeks...did not like it.
After that I went into business for myself and never looked back...never received a paycheck again but signed them for 35 yrs. It can be done folks. Many people start their own business working 12 hrs a day for a long period before finally starting to make a generous profit.
All a person has to do is specialize in a certain field and go from there.
If you try a business with competition a block or so away...rough going to make ends meet.
Every avg person working for a paycheck is only going to suceed so far in life.
Operating your own business...the sky is the limit.
Steve
(like I said it's my opinion for what it's worth with no offense on anyones part)
I don't take any offense to the rebuttals on my posts. My opinions are just that...opinions...if you don't like them "TS" (tough situation).
My general consensus is that a majority if not all posts are those who work for a paycheck every week. Good for you as long as your satisfied with your goal in life. More power to you.
I had the misfortune at a young age to collect unemployment for a couple of weeks...did not like it.
After that I went into business for myself and never looked back...never received a paycheck again but signed them for 35 yrs. It can be done folks. Many people start their own business working 12 hrs a day for a long period before finally starting to make a generous profit.
All a person has to do is specialize in a certain field and go from there.
If you try a business with competition a block or so away...rough going to make ends meet.
Every avg person working for a paycheck is only going to suceed so far in life.
Operating your own business...the sky is the limit.
Steve
(like I said it's my opinion for what it's worth with no offense on anyones part)
Thats admirable. And no I'm not being sarcastic. The truth is that alot has changed in 35 years. 35 years ago a man with a HS diploma could work for himself or a company for 40 years and retire with a pension and SS. THAT IS A MEMORY. The chances of you being financially solvent and successful without some type of formal, higher education is getting less and less daily. Pensions and social security will NOT be there for me (35) when I retire. IRA and 401k and savings. Thats where we are now. Coompanies used to value employees and take care of them. Now its work them to death and then replace them. Or outsource the job for a fraction of the cost. WalMart is telling their employees to go on welfare because they qualify with the salaries they get. THE GAME HAS CHANGED. Working hard on its own won't be enough for the average person like it used to be.
You didn't know the woman's circumstances, so you have no room to make assumptions, generalizations or judgements.
They did exactly what I predicted they would do about a dozen posts back. They base their entire social theory on an anecdotal example. And then fling open their bitter characteristic cruelty.
They did exactly what I predicted they would do about a dozen posts back. They base their entire social theory on an anecdotal example. And then fling open their bitter characteristic cruelty.
Wanting someone to work for a living is hardly cruel. I don't buy my children clothes from Goodwill so MY TAX DOLLARS can allow someone else to shop for all new things since their food and healthcare are free and their rent is 12 dollars a month. If you are young, sane, and healthy you should have a job. NO EXCUSES and NO WELFARE. And again unemployment is not welfare beacuse you had to WORK to get it.
If the "RICH" (who worked for their money) have to share with the workers...it's called "Communism"
I had relatives in Hungary during the Russian occupation that were forced to work land that belonged to neighbors who were unhappy with the Russian ruleing.
Workers are FREE to save money and go into business for themselves instead of depending on others for a paycheck.
Not sure I understand you Greg. I will say that you work against yourself if you dont think things need to be redone.
The poor kids you think I want to starve would be much better off if we got those who dont need assistance off of it. Your socialist Heaven will never exist if huge chunks of the population get a free ride. Thats why socialism always fails. Theres always some group or other that gets the bennies without paying the freight & eventually the working class tosses the idea that they should feed the naton out the window.
Its actually you who prove my point by blindly labeling those who want reform as cruel instead of being reasonable with the ones making it happen. As long as thats the case, how can you expect the working class to willingly fund lives often better than they can afford themselves?
If you dont need aid you dont deserve it. If you are healthy you dont need it.
Thats admirable. And no I'm not being sarcastic. The truth is that alot has changed in 35 years. 35 years ago a man with a HS diploma could work for himself or a company for 40 years and retire with a pension and SS. THAT IS A MEMORY. The chances of you being financially solvent and successful without some type of formal, higher education is getting less and less daily. Pensions and social security will NOT be there for me (35) when I retire. IRA and 401k and savings. Thats where we are now. Coompanies used to value employees and take care of them. Now its work them to death and then replace them. Or outsource the job for a fraction of the cost. WalMart is telling their employees to go on welfare because they qualify with the salaries they get. THE GAME HAS CHANGED. Working hard on its own won't be enough for the average person like it used to be.
I dissagree. We talk like pensions & such were always around for the average Joe. The truth is that most of what we see disapearing only lasted one or two generations. My grandfather never had a job with a pension or insurance, neither did his dad, my father had both & while I'm sure glad he did I cant say I think the sky is falling simply because things are going back to the way that worked. The ONLY difference between now & then was that two generations ago you got to keep alot more of what you made, church's & such took care of the poor with money people willingly gave up. To force us to pay when we ourselves are struggling is the issue at hand.
The game has changed but we can change it back & hard work will always be enough, as long as we remain capitalist in nature. The ONLY time hard work & ambition is meaningless is under socialism or communism.
I love it when people talk like it is some kind of great burden on the taxpayers, feeding the poor. Do you realize how much food is produced in the US? There is such an abundance of food in this country it's almost ridiculous! You people act like we're all still subsistence farmers barely scraping by in our little fields...
So why give away money? Why not just give up enough food for the day?
That food is produced by a person working for a living, why should he give away his things free?
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About welfare, I think that since the people have been removed from their natural means of subsistence -the land, and since there clearly aren't enough viable jobs for humans to perform in our modern world, providing for the most basic, subsistence needs of the people is a necessity.
Basic needs dont include cash to buy nice things
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I don't know about you, but the kind of country I want to live in does not include people starving in the streets, for ANY reason. It's amazing to see people so deeply entrenched in their "every man for himself, survival of the fittest" ideologies, to allow them to rationalize letting people, children even, starve in the richest country in human history. Sick stuff.
More sensational rhetoric. Survival of the fittest is fact but nobody is seriously suggesting just letting kids starve. You can already donate as much as you want & thats all that should be asked. We are far from the richest country anymore, but when we were it wasn't because we gave everybody with an issue a free ride.
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