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Old 08-07-2009, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Originally Posted by las vegas drunk View Post
Unfortunately, you are powerless over your own addiction....
....and las vegas drunk would know!

One more for the road, LVD?


 
Old 08-07-2009, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I do not have an addiction to any of those things. I like to drink, and I do drink heavily at times. I will admit that because I want to be honest. I still can go without drinking with no ill effects. I recently went 9 days without drinking any alcohol at all.
NINE WHOLE DAYS?!?!?!

You're such a classic alcoholic, LVD, it's striking.

I've been through twelve step programs. I've actually dealt with addiction first hand. I've seen hundreds of people just like you, with the same excuses, the same "I can quit whenever I want..." It's all BS. You're more in denial than any smoker I've ever met.

I sincerely referred you to AA earlier in the thread. I'm doing it again now. Please seek help. I may not like you personally, but I know what facing the truth about a debilitating addiction is really like, and I don't care how much I dislike someone - I don't want to see them in that place. The sooner you come to terms with the fact that you have a problem, the sooner you'll be able to take the next step.

I know I'm addicted to nicotine, and frankly, I'm perfectly OK with that. Considering everything else I was addicted to that I've not had in quite a few years, I can live with one (ok, two - I love my caffeine, too) addiction that doesn't affect my motor skills, doesn't make me slur my speech, doesn't cost more than my car, doesn't cause me to distance myself from my friends and family, doesn't risk my job, doesn't make me feel like vomiting in the morning...

Yeah, I'm an addict, and I'm man enough to admit it. How 'bout you?
 
Old 08-07-2009, 09:13 PM
 
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Cigarettes should be banned from public domain use but not entirely. I hate cigarettes but like smokers, I know banning it will just do to them as it done to weed and i smell weed smokers as much as i smell cigs. I think that you can use cigarettes like alcohol. You can smoke in your house, in your car, or any other form of private property that doesn't have public access. You shouldn't be allowed to smoke on the streets, at the bus stop, in the train, at the restaurant or any other place that is highly likely to encounter people who don't want to be exposed to smoking.

I believe people have a right to smoke but I also think that since most people don't smoke they made a conscious decision not to be exposed to smoke in the public domain. I also think this will CURB smoking(good) habits but not ban it(also good).
 
Old 08-07-2009, 09:35 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Originally Posted by las vegas drunk View Post
I do not have an addiction to any of those things. I like to drink, and I do drink heavily at times. I will admit that because I want to be honest. I still can go without drinking with no ill effects. I recently went 9 days without drinking any alcohol at all. The stupid smokers can not even go to work without smoking multiple times in the middle. Smokers have to smoke from the moment they wake up, to the moment they go to sleep. When I have to tell my boss at work that I need breaks so I can go drink a beer, I will admit I have an addiction.

You dont owe me any explanation. I may not have even been refering to you.

But you owe yourself more than a lame excuse.

I drank for many years. But I didn't have a problem, I went to work every day, paid my bills & took care of business. I just liked to drink, a lot some times. But theres nothing wrong with that. Except there is. I got lucky & fell in love with a woman who wouldn't tolerate it & made me make a decision.
If a person regularly seeks intoxication, enough to become defensive about it, make jokes about it & identify with it. They have a problem, whether or not they admit it. Thats just truth.

But you know what? I dont care, thats more truth. I respect your right to go get drunk & lie about it.

I also respect people who choose to smoke. I dont like the smell much but I can easilly avoid them if I choose just as I can avoid drunks if I choose.

Am I an alcoholic? I dont know. I never went thru withdrawl, I can to this day have a glass of wine with dinner or a beer & not fall back into my hole. It seems I merely had to recognize that my drinking was a problem.
Everyone is different, but the very first step is recognizing you have a problem, this applies to many things in life.
I used the lessons I learned from drinking to quit smoking many years later.

I might be wrong but I believe you are a young man, in your 30's, dont waste your life.
 
Old 08-08-2009, 03:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by las vegas drunk View Post
I do not have an addiction to any of those things. I like to drink, and I do drink heavily at times. I will admit that because I want to be honest. I still can go without drinking with no ill effects. I recently went 9 days without drinking any alcohol at all. The stupid smokers can not even go to work without smoking multiple times in the middle. Smokers have to smoke from the moment they wake up, to the moment they go to sleep. When I have to tell my boss at work that I need breaks so I can go drink a beer, I will admit I have an addiction.
So all smokers are like that?
So how do you explain that some might only smoke 5 or 10 a day?

The fact that you were counting the days that you didn't have a drink suggests you have a BIG problem with alcohol.
 
Old 08-08-2009, 04:44 PM
 
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....and las vegas drunk would know!

One more for the road, LVD?
That looks like the accident you had when you were not paying attention because you were lighting up a cigarette while you were driving. I have never had an at fault accident in my life, whether I was drunk or sober so what you just posted is b.s. I do not know what you are trying to prove here since I do not drink and drive anyways.
 
Old 08-08-2009, 04:46 PM
 
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So all smokers are like that?
So how do you explain that some might only smoke 5 or 10 a day?

The fact that you were counting the days that you didn't have a drink suggests you have a BIG problem with alcohol.
So smoking a cigarette every couple hours is ok? My point is I have never met an occasional cigarette smoker. I have never met a smoker who only smokes on the weekend. Catch my drift?
 
Old 08-08-2009, 04:49 PM
 
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You dont owe me any explanation. I may not have even been refering to you.

But you owe yourself more than a lame excuse.

I drank for many years. But I didn't have a problem, I went to work every day, paid my bills & took care of business. I just liked to drink, a lot some times. But theres nothing wrong with that. Except there is. I got lucky & fell in love with a woman who wouldn't tolerate it & made me make a decision.
If a person regularly seeks intoxication, enough to become defensive about it, make jokes about it & identify with it. They have a problem, whether or not they admit it. Thats just truth.

But you know what? I dont care, thats more truth. I respect your right to go get drunk & lie about it.

I also respect people who choose to smoke. I dont like the smell much but I can easilly avoid them if I choose just as I can avoid drunks if I choose.

Am I an alcoholic? I dont know. I never went thru withdrawl, I can to this day have a glass of wine with dinner or a beer & not fall back into my hole. It seems I merely had to recognize that my drinking was a problem.
Everyone is different, but the very first step is recognizing you have a problem, this applies to many things in life.
I used the lessons I learned from drinking to quit smoking many years later.

I might be wrong but I believe you are a young man, in your 30's, dont waste your life.
I do not have a problem either. I work a full time job that I have had almost three years. I have never even missed on day of work. I pay my bills and am at least responsible.
 
Old 08-08-2009, 05:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by swagger View Post
NINE WHOLE DAYS?!?!?!

You're such a classic alcoholic, LVD, it's striking.

I've been through twelve step programs. I've actually dealt with addiction first hand. I've seen hundreds of people just like you, with the same excuses, the same "I can quit whenever I want..." It's all BS. You're more in denial than any smoker I've ever met.

I sincerely referred you to AA earlier in the thread. I'm doing it again now. Please seek help. I may not like you personally, but I know what facing the truth about a debilitating addiction is really like, and I don't care how much I dislike someone - I don't want to see them in that place. The sooner you come to terms with the fact that you have a problem, the sooner you'll be able to take the next step.

I know I'm addicted to nicotine, and frankly, I'm perfectly OK with that. Considering everything else I was addicted to that I've not had in quite a few years, I can live with one (ok, two - I love my caffeine, too) addiction that doesn't affect my motor skills, doesn't make me slur my speech, doesn't cost more than my car, doesn't cause me to distance myself from my friends and family, doesn't risk my job, doesn't make me feel like vomiting in the morning...

Yeah, I'm an addict, and I'm man enough to admit it. How 'bout you?
You made a very ignorant statement here. You have never met me so you have no right to say you do not like me. You do not even know me at all. I assume you have a problem with me because second hand smoke makes me sick, and what happened in the casino. I have had many friends who smoke in the past. I do not hate smokers, I just hate it when people smoke around me, that is all. The guy in the casino was a jerk, plain and simple. I did not throw a drink on him because he was smoking, I did it because he was intentionally smoking it in my face, and laughing about it. It would be equivalent to me being drunk next to you, and screaming in your face constantly. After a long enough time, you might do the same as I did.
 
Old 08-08-2009, 07:11 PM
 
Location: In a house
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I do not have a problem either. I work a full time job that I have had almost three years. I have never even missed on day of work. I pay my bills and am at least responsible.

I did not say I did not have a problem. I used to lie to myself & rationalize that it was no problem, because I held a job , paid bills & was responsible.
But I certainly did have a problem. Thats the things with addictions & such.
The problem is there before the symptoms become obvious.

After my DWI I had to go to AA meetings.
There was a speaker one night, he talked about his past & how 30 years earlier when people told him he had a problem he countered by saying he had a job, a house, a wife & family, money in the bank. So its obvious that he was right & they were wrong.
Then he went on to tell how he now stood before us, his wife long gone, his kids wont talk to him, his career gone & his pockets empty. His only wish was that he had listened.
His story was much longer & more detailed than what I typed but you might get the point.

I started out thinking I was going to hear another sob story. But as I listened I realized he was describing me to a T. I was lucky to have heard him that night. Just as I was lucky to meet my wife. She refused to tolerate my stupidity & he made me realize that I really was being stupid.

The worthless drunk you see in the gutter likely had a job once, maybe for much longer than three years, he was functional once, had women & money. These things are not spontaneous. Its like a slow leak. You can fix it or you can just keep pumping it up. But if you dont fix it sooner or later you will get a flat.

But its your life not mine.
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