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Old 08-07-2010, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Columbia, California
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,,,,,You might say that any meat is contributing to the decline of a species. This really isn't a thought out argument. These animals were born for food. Tigers weren't. Foxes weren't. Deer weren't,,,,,,
All animals eventually become food! Foxes and deer will feed the tiger, wolves and bears. Even if someone thinks the bladder of a tiger or bear will increase their shlong size, it is being consumed. The dead lay in a coffin feeding ants and worms. Even if a dead animal lies in the earth without being eaten by insects it will still feed the dirt and earth.
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Old 08-09-2010, 10:16 PM
 
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Hunting is a way of life for many of us...... not a sport!

It is a communion of life which confirms that man is inseperable from nature.
Good insight! Many modern day ecologists unknowingly set man outside of ecology at the behest of rabid, but popular, environmentalism. Humans are as much a part of the Earth's ecology as the bald eagle or the California condor. At differing scales of technology, the homes built by man with nails and lumber are the same as the sand and silt nests built by cliff swallows. Man gets aboard a boat to distribute his genes to a new continent while another species uses the man's luggage. What is the old saying? "Different strokes for different blokes."
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Old 08-10-2010, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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Poaching is hunting.

The tigers are the business of the people in Asia.

I suspect there are more deer in Illinois now than when the Indians lived here.
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Old 08-10-2010, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Way South of the Volvo Line
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Hunting is a way of life for many of us...... not a sport!

It is a communion of life which confirms that man is inseperable from nature.

Hunting is one small aspect of living with an awareness of the relationship of all living organisms to each other and to their environment. This includes the celestial choreography of the planets which set the standards of light, temperature and atmosphere to which all living things respond as an orchestra responds to a single conductor.

More time is spent year around in woods, fields and waters observing and understanding the natural treasures hidden in plain view from professed nature lovers, nature neutral and nature oblivious.

The gardner and hunter both nourish and maintain their crop with reverence to ensure reliable and long term consumption. To say a hunter hates animals is to say a gardener hates plants because he tears them asunder and eats them.
In a society based on laws, the person who pays someone money for meat is as complicit as the person who hires a hit man to pull the trigger.

The anti-hunting crowd is entitled to their own opinion which I would never try to change. My response is for the nature neutral or nature oblivious that may read this thread.

"to shoot within a bow", as the old English phrase goes, is my preference.

The red fox has his preference as well.



pffft!
Well said, Kracer!!
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Old 08-10-2010, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Way South of the Volvo Line
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The tiger, one of nature's most beautiful, powerful and intelligent animals, is currently endangered due to hunting. Do you think these people were eating the tigers? If they were, do you think the tiger was their best and easiest choice for them to eat? Do you think they had no more sustainable meat available? Hunters, justify this: a "time honored tradition" is killing of one of Earth's most beloved creatures.

You might say that you hunt only animals that are not endangered. Well, tigers weren't always endangered either.

You might say that any meat is contributing to the decline of a species. This really isn't a thought out argument. These animals were born for food. Tigers weren't. Foxes weren't. Deer weren't.

So before the next time you go out on a hunt... think about how you are impacting not just this animal, not just this environment, but the entire world. Perhaps, because of you, your great-grandchildren will never be able to go into the forest and see a deer or a fox. Don't we owe them the opportunity to experience nature and her beauty? Don't we?
Habitat destruction first, commercial black market hunting second= tiger's demise.

Causes of Endangerment
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Old 08-10-2010, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
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Poaching is hunting.

The tigers are the business of the people in Asia.

I suspect there are more deer in Illinois now than when the Indians lived here.
Poaching is poaching.

Commerce is commerce.

Hunting is hunting.

Unethical slaughter is just that.

My $0.02.
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Old 08-10-2010, 09:16 AM
 
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If poaching is hunting, then all males are rapists. All pencils cause spelling errors. and etc.Money make people rob banks.......

Zero is right though, In New Hampshire tigers are surely endangered since they isn't any. Deer were made to feed tigers. I don't know what kind of deer, but some kind must feed tigers.

Deer here are made to feed hunters. With bout hunters hunting deer they would be GONE, and as it is now because of hunting there is so many deer the car INS co hate deer.

In NH Moose are on the come back to the point the cops and Ins Co's hate Moose.

Human encrochment on the land is what needs to be stopped. You non hunters never stop building condos in the mist of wintering deer yards. Gotta have that parking lot, gotta have the back road into the condo, gotta clear cut Oops that open and safe ski resort. Gotta have the big box store, and right where the deer yard was.
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Old 08-10-2010, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Way South of the Volvo Line
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Actually here in the Northeast, like NH and Maine, deer were made to be shared by wolf, man, bear, and cougar. Native Americans limited some of the competition by preying on them, too. European Man finished the job by eliminating most of our competition like cougar and wolf. Now we have what we have. Hunting is both a reward and a responsibility to keep the prey populations in check.


But news, for ya, folks...some of our old competition is coming back.
Cougar News » Blog Archive » New England Residents on Lookout for Cougars 1-27-09
For coyotes, at least, study finds New Englanders a special breed - The Boston Globe
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:16 AM
 
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tcrackly, Ya got that right. In the mid 90's up in the Ossipees I saw 1 cougar, and 3 timber wolves.

Both interesting tails.

The cougar was on a elderly neighbors enclosed porch tearing into this trash, so he called me which was common and told me to git down theya' and git the cat outta his trash. I showed up un-armed and stormed onto the porch as if i owned the place, and stop dead in my tracks to back pedal when I saw a cat 9 feet long hissing at me. First and only time I could do the Moonwalk dance.

That old geezer came to his window and laughed at me! Asked if i got dun with the cat ok? I glared at his eyes and said NO, went home for a 12 ga, but the cat was gone when I got back. Geese..

The wolves were way cool. from that geezers place to mine was a bit more than 1/2 mile. I had to begin snow plowing below his place a mile if I wanted to drive at all in winter, and pass my place another 1/2. between his place and mine was a one lane road so narrow any on coming traffics had to back up to some pull over. Mt cliff on one side, and a cliff to a roaring torrent brook on the other.

I caught up with the 3 wolves there, and they had no choice but to run before the plow, and I was plowing, so everyone was pretty exicted. I didn't want to stop with a blade full of snow since it sets up hard and the 3 wolves wanted no part of me at just ahead of the plow. I sure liked to see them though, all chocolate brown, not yottes, different heads.

I liked seeing that cat too, but wished it was under almost any other circumstance.
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Old 08-10-2010, 12:33 PM
 
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Here in the state of Kalifornia the eco fascists have put a stop to mountain lion hunting for awhile. Hopefully someday they will get tired of the attacks on joggers in state parks. I ran across a cat one time in my life and I hope it was the last. I was dragging a dead deer down a shale mountain side. I stopped to take a break for some water. As I stood looking around I saw a lion about 100 ft away on a rock outcropping staring at me wagging its tail wagging slowly back and forth. I put the cross hairs on the cat and stood there for about five minutes waiting to see if it wanted to die by coming closer. It left and I slowly made my way down the mountain. Glad I stopped to look back. Always a smart thing to do in cat and bear country.
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