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View Poll Results: After reading the OP in full, what is your take on the current state of pain medication prescription
Pain relief medications are "too severely restricted" for legitimate patients? 120 71.86%
Pain relief medications restrictions are “where they should be” for legitimate pain patients? 20 11.98%
Pain relief medications restrictions are “not restricted enough” for legitimate pain patients? 27 16.17%
Voters: 167. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-02-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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Why is it important to you to pretend that it's something different? Part of the reason it's 'so important' to me is imo if people realized what it really is, they wouldn't be so eager to accept it. Especially for small things like my cat bite. Yeah, it hurt. But did I need a bit of smack for that? No.

Marketing is everything. Someone taking their teen in for wisdom teeth removal. Dr. says I'm going to script some heroin. Parents would be like yeah, no.
Why even CARE what it's called...what the different properties are....
People in severe pain DON'T CARE what you call it...just that it works.
The only people who "wouldn't be so eager to accept it", are those who really don't NEED it for the pain...like your injury (your cat bite) which will heal fairly quickly.
Being in chronic pain doesn't make you stupid...if anything it makes one very wise about the drugs they take and which ones work.
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Old 10-02-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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The "words" are marketing ploys. The people who refuse to acknowledge the similarity to street drugs have bought the nice tied with a bow marketing package - the pretty package that allows them to NOT think of themselves as "drug addicts."
Oh great...I feel soooo much better now...NOT!!!!!
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Old 10-02-2018, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Wine Country
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Oh great...I feel soooo much better now...NOT!!!!!
It seems a few people here have never had debilitating pain or chronic pain. They would rather play semantics police.
The VAST majority of people that are prescribed opioids do not become addicted to them. There are no substitutes that can alleviate pain in a lot of cases. The last thing pain sufferers need is people judging them on how they find relief and using inflammatory rhetoric like calling the medication 'heroin'.
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Old 10-02-2018, 09:38 AM
 
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General Practitioners do not prescribe opiates anymore. They will refer you to a doctor specializing in pain management. The ER will give a scrip for an opiate if they think it is warranted.
True...most general practitioners won't.
I had a general practitioner who was also a "pain management specialist"..he even told me he took a special course for this and really knows his stuff.
Too bad for his pain sufferers , that he decided he only wanted to work with addicts dispensing methadone to manage THEIR pain...mostly mental I would think...he dropped all "previous patients"..no notifying them or anything.
So, no more "pain specialist" available.
As for those "previous patients" (the ones who still work every day, manage their affairs etc, thanks to the pain relief they've been prescribed that works???)...tooooo baaad... so saaad...boo hoo..you don't matter anymore..untill you become a confirmed registered addict you're flat out of luck.
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Old 10-02-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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Have you all exhausted natural remedies?

Organic, whole foods.
Clean, filtered water.
Exercise.
Massage.
Essential Oils.
Healthy, beautiful environment.
Lots of holistic treatments.

Have you examined the emotional and metaphysical cause of your illness?

You can Google whatever your illness is and metaphysical reason and you might be interested in the results.

Pain medication is a bandaid.

What is the root cause of the disease and how is that being addressed? (Hint: Allopathic medicine is not going to give you the answer).

I would imagine if you cut yourself and you were bleeding you would head to the medicine cabinet and get a band aid because that's what you need at the time. From reading your post it seems to me that you have never really been in a lot of pain and are not qualified to say ANYTHING about pain control.


If you get hit by a car and have multiple broken bones would you look for the root cause of your pain? I really hate reading stuff on pain meds by people that don't understand when they are necessary. Stop reading too many books about stuff that you obviously don't comprehend.
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Old 10-02-2018, 10:49 AM
 
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Canabinoid oil is a major relief to many. You can order it online, even from Walgreens! Only side effect is I became apathetic. The oil does NOT get you high and is legal almost everywhere.
The difference between CBD from hemp and CBD from cannabis is like comparing apples to oranges.
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Old 10-02-2018, 10:52 AM
 
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If you believe strongly enough, it'll work.
Perhaps if you held a piece of paper that said pain relief and believed hard enough that should work as well. I have read a lot of things on this site, and I think your "answer" is patently absurd. I guess by your statement, that we no longer need doctors if we can simply believe our problems away. I presume that you never go to a doctor or a hospital because you have found the answer, in religion I presume. I can also presume that you have never needed pain control medicine because one CANNOT believe their problems away.

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Old 10-02-2018, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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I enjoyed the 'well played' comment. Friendly banter is fun. We (people in general) can discuss/debate nicely and be fun if we choose.

But yeah, this is a tomato/tomato situation. Remember please I am not talking about street heroin where the potency is unknown, what all is in it is unknown, etc. I am talking about pure heroin that used to be prescribed and filled in pretty bottles for all the same reasons as oxy is now. What is the difference to you?

If you can't explain the difference, not to be rude, but I don't see on what basis you disagree.

Okay, I now have coffee, and will continue my point from last night.... when I was making pizza.

Tomatoes = opium poppy. They are all derivatives of that, with the exception being oxy as it is semi-synthetic.

This helps:

Opiate

Classically, the term opiate refers to natural substances that come from opium. Opium itself can be extracted from the opium poppy and contains chemical compounds, including morphine and codeine. Thus, examples of opiates are morphine and codeine.

Opioids

There are also products that work by binding to the same receptors as opiates, but do not occur naturally, known as semi-synthetic or synthetic opioids. While synthetic opioids are manufactured chemically, semi-synthetic opioids are a hybrid resulting from chemical modifications to natural opiates.

Examples of synthetic opioids include fentanyl and methadone, while oxycodone and hydrocodone are examples of semi-synthetic opioids.




Honestly, I don't care. Unless there is an alternative found to counter pain, this is what we have. If you don't like it, no one is forcing you to take it.
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Old 10-02-2018, 11:53 AM
 
Location: planet earth
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I would imagine if you cut yourself and you were bleeding you would head to the medicine cabinet and get a band aid because that's what you need at the time. From reading your post it seems to me that you have never really been in a lot of pain and are not qualified to say ANYTHING about pain control.


If you get hit by a car and have multiple broken bones would you look for the root cause of your pain? I really hate reading stuff on pain meds by people that don't understand when they are necessary. Stop reading too many books about stuff that you obviously don't comprehend.
I had a broken leg and multiple bone surgeries and a major organ removed, so I know something about pain.

I took morphine in the hospital, and had pain in recovery, which eventually reduced with healing.

I am not in the position to judge anyone else's pain - is it possible that people have high levels of acute pain (such as what is experienced with a broken bone or bone surgery) every second of every day? I honestly doubt that is the case, because I don't think anyone could survive that.

There are alternatives to opioids. If you aren't open to them, and you are being "cut off," then you will have to find ways to cope - I personally think taking to the streets in search of heroin is not the way to go, but that's just me.
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Old 10-02-2018, 11:57 AM
 
Location: planet earth
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At 65 I have been prescribed opioids many times, after surgeries, after root canals, after wisdom teeth removal, for back pain, after a severe illness and I never became a drug addict.

And I don't care what name you want to give it......I would rather have it than not.

In my book there is nothing wrong with avoiding pain and there is nothing heroic about choosing to suffer pain needlessly.

And, if someone who is in chronic pain needs narcotic pain killers every day for the rest of their life I certainly don't think of them as drug addicts, to me they are no different than anyone else who has to take a drug every day for the rest of their lives.

It is well known that the stress of living with chronic pain can shorten one's lifespan. The death may not be a dramatic as dropping dead of an overdose but the result is lost years of life just the same.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/why-l...ll-you-3972227
I am the exact opposite of you. I have also been handed multiple RX's for procedures, and I usually wad them up, and throw them away. I take aspirin if I have pain and use holistic remedies when possible. Just recently, I fell and injured my back. I thought about going to the doctor and asking for a muscle relaxer, but then I researched online and saw the effects of those drugs and decided to try to cope without them. I was in a lot of pain and I tried various holistic remedies and used aspirin. I finally healed after a month. I was ABLE to cope because I was motivated to do so.
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