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View Poll Results: After reading the OP in full, what is your take on the current state of pain medication prescription
Pain relief medications are "too severely restricted" for legitimate patients? 120 71.86%
Pain relief medications restrictions are “where they should be” for legitimate pain patients? 20 11.98%
Pain relief medications restrictions are “not restricted enough” for legitimate pain patients? 27 16.17%
Voters: 167. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-01-2018, 05:14 PM
 
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Old 10-01-2018, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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Yes really and it's not 'terminology'. It is what it is. They used to prescribe heroin and then they synthesized it and marketed it as a different drug but it's synthetic heroin.

Some of you keep thinking of street heroin instead of the pure stuff made in a lab by companies like Bayer.
You calling oxycodone heroin is hyperbolic. It adds nothing to the debate, and makes people who need to take opioids for pain relief feel like drug abusers. If you toned your rhetoric down you could get your point across a little better.
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Old 10-01-2018, 07:32 PM
 
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Yes really and it's not 'terminology'. It is what it is. They used to prescribe heroin and then they synthesized it and marketed it as a different drug but it's synthetic heroin.

Some of you keep thinking of street heroin instead of the pure stuff made in a lab by companies like Bayer.

of course it's not heroin, it has a different chemical formula and structure. it is similar (in structure and properties) but it is not the SAME.

oxycodone C18H21NO4
heroin (diamorphine) C21H23NO5

different

also, heroin is still legal in some countries, i.e UK
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Old 10-01-2018, 07:43 PM
 
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You calling oxycodone heroin is hyperbolic. It adds nothing to the debate, and makes people who need to take opioids for pain relief feel like drug abusers. If you toned your rhetoric down you could get your point across a little better.
I don't understand how the name of something does that. It feels less like drug abuse depending on the name? Again, that is only because you're thinking of street heroin rather than the kind that was formulated by Bayer and sold to people with legit pain for pain.

The two drugs do the same thing to the brain and body and have the same potency. If there was a bottle of Bayer heroin and a bottle of oxy in front of me, why would it be worse to choose the heroin? What if I call the heroin something else. Would that fix it? (I guess so, since that is what they did).
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Old 10-01-2018, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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I don't understand how the name of something does that. It feels less like drug abuse depending on the name? Again, that is only because you're thinking of street heroin rather than the kind that was formulated by Bayer and sold to people with legit pain for pain.

The two drugs do the same thing to the brain and body and have the same potency. If there was a bottle of Bayer heroin and a bottle of oxy in front of me, why would it be worse to choose the heroin? What if I call the heroin something else. Would that fix it? (I guess so, since that is what they did).
Why do you insist all opioids be called heroin? Why is that so important to you? What do you hope to gain from your inflammatory rhetoric?
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Old 10-01-2018, 07:56 PM
 
Location: southern born and southern bred
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You calling oxycodone heroin is hyperbolic. It adds nothing to the debate, and makes people who need to take opioids for pain relief feel like drug abusers. If you toned your rhetoric down you could get your point across a little better.
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Why do you insist all opioids be called heroin? Why is that so important to you? What do you hope to gain from your inflammatory rhetoric?
thanks for saying what I was thinking
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Old 10-01-2018, 08:02 PM
 
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Why do you insist all opioids be called heroin? Why is that so important to you? What do you hope to gain from your inflammatory rhetoric?
Why is it important to you to pretend that it's something different? Part of the reason it's 'so important' to me is imo if people realized what it really is, they wouldn't be so eager to accept it. Especially for small things like my cat bite. Yeah, it hurt. But did I need a bit of smack for that? No.

Marketing is everything. Someone taking their teen in for wisdom teeth removal. Dr. says I'm going to script some heroin. Parents would be like yeah, no.
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Old 10-01-2018, 08:32 PM
 
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The "words" are marketing ploys. The people who refuse to acknowledge the similarity to street drugs have bought the nice tied with a bow marketing package - the pretty package that allows them to NOT think of themselves as "drug addicts."
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Old 10-01-2018, 08:41 PM
 
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Why is it important to you to pretend that it's something different? Part of the reason it's 'so important' to me is imo if people realized what it really is, they wouldn't be so eager to accept it. Especially for small things like my cat bite. Yeah, it hurt. But did I need a bit of smack for that? No.

Marketing is everything. Someone taking their teen in for wisdom teeth removal. Dr. says I'm going to script some heroin. Parents would be like yeah, no.
Give me a break. What doctor do you go to and where it is? I had a severe dog bite recently. Got offered Motrin.

Not buying it.
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Old 10-01-2018, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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I think items should be called by their given names - anything else is an attempt to be misleading, and not really conducive to a conversation.
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