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Re the bolded...well, YEAH. And I'm an over-60 person who would probably take the risk to get rid of these grey roots if I had/when I have somewhere to go where I want to look presentable.
But a foursome in golf is OUTSIDE, where viruses blow away in the air or are at least diluted in number, plus since when do golfers need to touch one another or get so close that one is breathing on the other?
I’ll go along with being outside being a more favorable situation but you know that some of those people will not stay 6 feet apart. They can’t even manage that in a grocery store with markings on the floor to tell them where to stand.
Ok so answer the scenarios I presented. You can't just have everyone at risk stay home what don't you guys understand about that? You're still going to infect other people and the virus spreads further and more at-risk people are exposed doing essential shopping or by their family members who have to go back to work and the hospital will get overloaded again. Even if you don't die, healthy people are still ending up on ventilators and living with permanent damage from the virus. So your right to die doesn't equate to the right to infect other people and kill them. Why is that such a hard concept? Why is wearing a mask the worst oppression you've ever experienced in your life? And please, answer the issues I've brought up as well. Nody has yet to do that.
That's great you meet people who sick and tired of it. But the vast majority of people polled disagree with you and idk a single person who wants everything to reopen immediately, including a woman who is a hair stylist and needs the income, but is at risk and is afraid to return to work. You know what could help people not lining up at food banks? A government that actually cares about its own citizens like other countries that have continued matching at least a certain percentage of payroll.
There are literally so many options out there that can be discussed and debated, but all you guys on the rampage of "OPEN EVERYTHING RIGHT THIS MINUTE I MISS FREE REFILLS AND HAIRCUTS" are just completely unwilling to even consider other options and how your views can be dangerous and how we can help everything. It's your way or the highway (to hell). I don't agree with reopening everything, but I can get down with some reopening if done properly and I think that's a middle ground. But your camp refuses to even consider the other side and thinks your opinions are the only ones that matter EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE IN THE MINORITY!
Even in red Arizona: "More than half (52%) of likely Arizona voters, when asked about the stay-at-home order, say they are more worried about easing restrictions too soon which would potentially increase infections and cause more lives to be lost." Poll: Arizonans think 'reopening' is too soon; Most Republicans not concerned
"Nearly three out of four Americans – 71% – say they are more concerned by the government lifting social distancing restrictions too quickly, according to a survey from the Democracy Fund + UCLA Nationscape Project." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ly/5180069002/
"51 percent of the 2,000 registered voters polled between May 8 and 10 said that businesses and public spaces across the nation are opening too quickly, while only 15 percent think that the nation isn’t reopening fast enough. " https://www.statista.com/chart/21741...ng-of-economy/
"Seventy-one percent of those surveyed across the three states said that officials should focus on keeping people home and maintaining social distancing measures to combat the pandemic. Only about a quarter — 26 percent — said that their states should put people back to work to help the economy recover, even if it means hastening the spread of the virus." https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...open-economies
"In their latest poll (conducted May 3-5), The Economist/YouGov found that only 11 percent of adults believed it was safe to end social distancing and reopen businesses right now. Six percent said it would be safe in about two weeks, and another 19 percent said it would be in a month or so. A plurality (29 percent) thought it would take several months, and 15 percent even said a year or longer. A Morning Consult survey taken April 29-30 found that just 20 percent of registered voters thought the economy should reopen in April (i.e., immediately) or May, 37 percent said June or July, 16 percent said August or September, and 12 percent said October or later. And a May 5 poll from Global Strategy Group and GBAO for left-leaning firm Navigator Research found that 60 percent of Americans opposed reopening the country in the next few weeks, versus 36 percent who supported it. Finally, a May 2-5 poll by Civiqs for Daily Kos asked respondents flat out whether they supported having a stay-at-home order in place in their state: Sixty-five percent said yes, and 29 percent said no.
Simply put, Americans think the stay-at-home orders are doing a lot more good than bad. That same Economist/YouGov survey found that 59 percent of adults believed the orders were extremely or very effective at stopping the spread of COVID-19; an additional 31 percent said they were somewhat effective, while only 10 percent doubted their effectiveness. In addition, a whopping 75 percent thought it was either very or somewhat likely that states reopening would result in an increase in COVID-19 cases. And in an Axios/Ipsos poll conducted May 1-4, 67 percent of Americans said that they thought returning to their pre-coronavirus life right now would be a large or moderate risk to their health and well-being; only 30 percent of Americans said they were willing to accept such a risk to return to their normal lives.
According to a Monmouth University poll conducted April 30-May 4, 63 percent of adults were more concerned about lifting restrictions too quickly than not lifting them quickly enough; 29 percent said the opposite. And the Navigator Research poll reported that 59 percent of Americans were more concerned about social distancing ending too soon, while 32 percent were more concerned that it would go on too long." https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-pre-pandemic/
So you might think you're the majority, but you're not. Stop acting like it. You wanna take a dump all over everything I've said, but refuse to accept that my viewpoints are the viewpoints of the majority of Americans. I've given actual real solid information of how I believe we can more safely reopen, and the answer is always just "I WANT TO INFECT OTHER PEOPLE I DON'T CARE IF I DIE GIVE ME UNLIMITED SOUP SALAD BREADSTICKS AT OLIVE GARDEN RIGHT NOW OR I RIOT." None of you have any said anything that resembles willing to work together and sharing ideas. None of you have said anything worth value whatsoever to having a conversation, jut telling me I'm wrong and refusing to realize there are serious issues with reopening too quickly. And you're so blind to reality that you think your positions are shared by the majority of people.
Arizona - lot of retirees.
The rest of your sources = mostly leftist.
Well, I'm posting in a NJ forum (mostly liberal) - well that explains it. lol!
So I guess the people struggling or in a dire lose-all situation that I've met or spoke to is my "imagination".
Or people going to a food bank one mile traffic long - just an imaginary story.
It seems that many of the posters here CAN AFFORD not to worry about such things as $ or whatnot plus they love the governor - so "screw the rest" I guess as they'll die anyway from causes because of the CV lockdown which will be a much higher number than the CV bloated for dollars death numbers will ever be.
Jesse... why are you arguing so passionately on here? NJ is opening very cautiously, which seems to be what you want. Why are you trying so hard to get people to agree with you, when what you want is already taking place?
he is clearly excited about the notion of the government initiating force against innocent people for trying to live their lives.
So you think that it's fine to have a restaurant functioning
yes
i find it very strange that you are asking for an answer on childcare. since when was that a reason to not let people work? you really just want a total government takeover of all aspects of our lives, dont you? i have no right to tell other people what to do about childcare, neither do you and neither does the government. thats my answer.
Jesse... why are you arguing so passionately on here? NJ is opening very cautiously, which seems to be what you want. Why are you trying so hard to get people to agree with you, when what you want is already taking place?
That poster is passionate on their view/belief, I respect that though I respectfully disagree with it.
i find it very strange that you are asking for an answer on childcare. since when was that a reason to not let people work? you really just want a total government takeover of all aspects of our lives, dont you? i have no right to tell other people what to do about childcare, neither do you and neither does the government. thats my answer.
You conveniently left out the rest of my sentence.
Uhh...I care about childcare because literally what is a parent's option if they have to return to work? Do you have a solution to avoid placing those children in foster care or allowing the parents to collect unemployment? If not, then I really don't know how to have a conversation with someone that heartless. I'm sorry I care about people and children.
Jesse... why are you arguing so passionately on here? NJ is opening very cautiously, which seems to be what you want. Why are you trying so hard to get people to agree with you, when what you want is already taking place?
It's not taking place. There should be more precautions in place. Every other country is taking a more serious approach to this with more widespread testing, stronger enforcement of social distancing and wearing masks, checking temperatures of people before entering some businesses, better contact tracing. We don't have that yet. If it already is somewhat failing in other countries, and we are doing even less, how is possible we will do this successfully?
You conveniently left out the rest of my sentence.
Uhh...I care about childcare because literally what is a parent's option if they have to return to work? Do you have a solution to avoid placing those children in foster care or allowing the parents to collect unemployment? If not, then I really don't know how to have a conversation with someone that heartless. I'm sorry I care about people and children.
honestly i didnt read it. you write a lot so i just look for what jumps out.
childcare is important to everyone. its very kind of you to care about childcare, im pretty sure that the people who care about it most are parents of children. its really none of your business what other people do. im not sure why you are manufacturing some weird scenario where kids are going to foster care but its really not worth discussing because it doesnt impact whether or not businesses should be able to open if they wish.
honestly i didnt read it. you write a lot so i just look for what jumps out.
childcare is important to everyone. its very kind of you to care about childcare, im pretty sure that the people who care about it most are parents of children. its really none of your business what other people do. im not sure why you are manufacturing some weird scenario where kids are going to foster care but its really not worth discussing because it doesnt impact whether or not businesses should be able to open if they wish.
Arizona - lot of retirees.
The rest of your sources = mostly leftist.
Well, I'm posting in a NJ forum (mostly liberal) - well that explains it. lol!
So I guess the people struggling or in a dire lose-all situation that I've met or spoke to is my "imagination".
Or people going to a food bank one mile traffic long - just an imaginary story.
It seems that many of the posters here CAN AFFORD not to worry about such things as $ or whatnot plus they love the governor - so "screw the rest" I guess as they'll die anyway from causes because of the CV lockdown which will be a much higher number than the CV bloated for dollars death numbers will ever be.
Okay!
Ah yes the classic "I don't like what that report says so it's fake news." Find me a source that says a majority of people WANT everything to reopen.
We might meet the standards to open, but the US as a whole simply does not have a good enough response to do anything safely rn. Again. Your solution to you is your way or the highway. My opinion is that it is too early to safely reopen. But as long as social distancing and wearing masks and contact tracing improves, I would agree that things should open. Your opinion seems to be "I'm more important and only my opinion is correct." Go find me a study that says your opinion is even the most widely shared one, let alone the right one.
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