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Old 08-30-2016, 08:04 AM
 
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Well a lot of Dominicans see PR as a bridge to USA but yeah the main motivator is that you earn in dollars. The dollars to peso exchange is very friendly. They are poor in both countries might as well be poor in the one where you earn dollars and have a chance to make it to USA eventually.

But yes with regards to PR independence it is not even seriously on the table. The option very clearly is remain as is (which in my opinion is unsustainable) or become a state.
Also poverty in PR is not the same poverty as it is in the DR. Puerto Ricans realize that as well.

 
Old 08-30-2016, 08:16 AM
 
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Too many years under U.S rule. Most people don't know what it's like to live without that "security blanket". I also think deep down most PR don't trust the country will do very well as an independent country. I hate to say it because it sounds bad but I think most would rather be a struggling colony (not to mention be USA citizens) than a very poor independent country in shambles.
But services they get from the local government in PR have been seriously cut, and the current Congress has offered no relief. We will have to see how the next Congress wants to handle things.
 
Old 08-30-2016, 09:33 PM
 
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Overall, the government should issue and immigration moratorium, and place limits on those who can immigrate to the US, especially from countries in Asia, Latin America and the Caribbean , and Africa for the moment.
If I recall correctly, weren't you struggling to get a decent job in this economy, so why limit the ban to those regions? I would include Europe as well because we have many illegals from there who take advantage of the VWP, marry and then compete with Americans for a limited number of jobs. I think we should severely limit immigration and allow only highly-skilled and qualified individuals to fill jobs that cannot be filled by an American. Toughen the requirements for the H-1B visa program so that greedy companies cannot undercut American workers.

As an immigrant, I have no issue with Dominicans or a particular group. My issue is with unprogressive people.
 
Old 08-31-2016, 08:26 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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If I recall correctly, weren't you struggling to get a decent job in this economy, so why limit the ban to those regions? I would include Europe as well because we have many illegals from there who take advantage of the VWP, marry and then compete with Americans for a limited number of jobs. I think we should severely limit immigration and allow only highly-skilled and qualified individuals to fill jobs that cannot be filled by an American. Toughen the requirements for the H-1B visa program so that greedy companies cannot undercut American workers.

As an immigrant, I have no issue with Dominicans or a particular group. My issue is with unprogressive people.
The only issue with that is Europeans overall haven't been immigrating to the United States in the same numbers as the aforementioned areas. Your proposal would likely hurt Eastern Europeans the most if anything.
 
Old 09-01-2016, 05:49 PM
 
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I don't really see why there should be too much hate on Dominicans. According to a NYTimes article I read about 35% of all US born Dominicans graduate from college. I believe this is higher than the national average. Dominicans will probably move up like the Europeans before them even if most of them would be considered black by American standards because of the one drop rule. Plus many of them own small businesses. Italians have been immigrating in large numbers to NYC as early as the 1880s yet even in the 1980s there was still a large number of Italians that were in the underclass. I see Dominicans as the new Italians in NYC. They are moving up rapidly. Sure there might be a Dominican underclass but like I said there was also an Italian underclass well into the 1970s and 80s.
 
Old 09-01-2016, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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If I recall correctly, weren't you struggling to get a decent job in this economy, so why limit the ban to those regions? I would include Europe as well because we have many illegals from there who take advantage of the VWP, marry and then compete with Americans for a limited number of jobs. I think we should severely limit immigration and allow only highly-skilled and qualified individuals to fill jobs that cannot be filled by an American. Toughen the requirements for the H-1B visa program so that greedy companies cannot undercut American workers.

As an immigrant, I have no issue with Dominicans or a particular group. My issue is with unprogressive people.
I have to agree with you on something. I am progressive and populist at the same time. Welcome to the new America that neoliberalism have created. I'm actually pro immigrant by the way, but at the moment, we should set limits until economics for every American has boosted which will take a decade.

Pay increases bumped me up. No longer struggling. However, things could be better. I have no issues either and have good relationship with Dominicans. As for why thr ban on such regions? Because we already have restrictions in placed on how many Europeans can move here. The same should apply for the rest of the world. Again thier needs to be a moratorium on immigration. Example if the US recieved 25,000 yearly ecuadorian immigrants who entered US legally. The number should be reduced to 5000. Yes we need to toughen vwp. Limit visas from 90 days to only 60 days from Europe. Maybe even 30. For those that want visas, it either has to be a business visa, fiancee or wife, or for students. If an employer has an h1b employee or vwp employee, they will have to pay an hire tax rate.

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Old 09-01-2016, 08:24 PM
 
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I don't get why the Puerto Ricans don't vote for independence.

As for the poverty and incarceration rates on Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, do you have definitive data from a legitimate source to support this assertion?
What's there not to get?

What does PR have to offer the world apart from going the Ireland route and whoring themselves out to multinationals/ hedge fundss?

At least as a US territory, PR's have the opportunity to come to the US.
 
Old 09-01-2016, 08:53 PM
 
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I don't get why the Puerto Ricans don't vote for independence.

As for the poverty and incarceration rates on Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, do you have definitive data from a legitimate source to support this assertion?
If Puerto Rico becomes independent. It will be one of the poorest countries in the Caribbean over night. Puerto Rico does not have much to offer. Puerto Escort is a very tiny Island. Problems with islands is a lack of resources Puerto Rico best bet is to become a financial services sector for thr Caribbean. I don't want Puerto Rico tovto be reliant tourism as its main industry. I hope Puerto Rico can become a US state.
 
Old 09-01-2016, 09:13 PM
 
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I have to agree with you on something. I am progressive and populist at the same time. Welcome to the new America that neoliberalism have created. I'm actually pro immigrant by the way, but at the moment, we should set limits until economics for every American has boosted which will take a decade.

Pay increases bumped me up. No longer struggling. However, things could be better. I have no issues either and have good relationship with Dominicans. As for why thr ban on such regions? Because we already have restrictions in placed on how many Europeans can move here. The same should apply for the rest of the world. Again thier needs to be a moratorium on immigration. Example if the US recieved 25,000 yearly ecuadorian immigrants who entered US legally. The number should be reduced to 5000. Yes we need to toughen vwp. Limit visas from 90 days to only 60 days from Europe. Maybe even 30. For those that want visas, it either has to be a business visa, fiancee or wife, or for students. If an employer has an h1b employee or vwp employee, they will have to pay an hire tax rate.

Europeans are actually at an advantage in terms of immigration. Citizens of all the European countries can self petition for an immigrant visa through the diversity lottery system. They are eligible because they emigrate to the u.s. in low numbers, by choice. They are also eligible for and have a higher priority date for family based petitions for immigrant visa.
The European citizens greatly benefit from the professional work visas. Outside of indians and H1B tech support jobs , over 70% of professional work visas go to Europeans.

If we are serious about immigration reform it is simple. End birthright citizenship. Majority of first world countries don't have this.
Strengthen e verify.
Enact harsh financial and criminal penalties for employers who hire illegals. No jobs will immediately cut half of the illegal immigrants.
Fire these immigration judges who grant relief and allow criminal aliens to stay in the u.s. enforce the existing immigration laws! Hire more immigration agents( hsi, border patrol etc) to enforce the law.
Clamp down on these immigration scams to get status. E.g. green card marriages. Fake asylum petition etc.
In Costa Rica if you are found harboring an illegal , even for free the penalty is financial and jail time. They have border checks randomly throughout the country. You are encouraged to travel with a copy of your passport.
Increase the amount of 'labourer/seasonal worker visas' . Collect fees. Short term visas for these position.
If we charge $1000 for each of these visas and issue 2 million a year we would earn a lot of money!
The reality is I don't know anyone (or know anyone who has family or friends) who is interested in working on farms or washing cars in winter in the car wash etc . illegals have been doing these jobs for decades. If you allow them to get a visa that allows them to work everyone wins. I enjoy paying $1.99 lb for my green peppers and $6 for car wash.

Those H1B , Os, Ls and E VISAS that are taking away good middle, upper middle class jobs, charge the company exorbitant fees. Let them prove they have exhausted all options to find a u.s. citizen or LPR for this job. Limit the number of fees.This is important. These are the people who are actually taking away the jobs that American residents need.

Enforce tax rate for business. These large companies are wealth vultures. Trickle down economics is not working.
 
Old 09-01-2016, 09:15 PM
 
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P.s. a company is not allowed to employ and pay someone in the u.s who entered under the VWP .
When this is discovered that person is banned from using the VWP.
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