14 year old shooting brings protests (incomes, living in, versus)

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by NDak15

Are you ****ing kidding me?

I don’t think the comment is that far off. You seem to be in full support of some sort of an authoritarian regime where getting killed is an acceptable outcome when disobeying a cop. That’s not how things are supposed to work in the country.

[Adamson865]

Originally Posted by NDak15

Are you ****ing kidding me?

I could say the same thing about your constant "Police Uber Alles" posts. Glad I can activate the "ignore" feature!

[AzScorpion12]

Originally Posted by duke944

Jeez, assuming a kid does something dumb like steal some junk out of a vehicle means he will grow up to be a career criminal and it's a good thing he was shot is about as sick as it gets. Most likely if he had escaped he would have been scared sh$tless and not done it again.

Or he might have thought "Geeze that was a rush and I got away with it,let try it again"

You nor I have any idea what went through his mind or if he's been in trouble before. Odds are he has because I don't think you wake up one day and say "hey I'm going to start breaking into cars today".

Again,I'm not condoning the cop shooting him in the back but the little dirt bag was stealing something from a truck that wasn't his! Sad but true if he wants to play big boy games then be prepared to suffer the consequences. This wasn't just taking a few grapes off the shelf (which is still wrong ) he was B/E in someones truck.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Gixxer1K

Or he might have thought "Geeze that was a rush and I got away with it,let try it again"

You nor I have any idea what went through his mind or if he's been in trouble before. Odds are he has because I don't think you wake up one day and say "hey I'm going to start breaking into cars today".

Again,I'm not condoning the cop shooting him in the back but the little dirt bag was stealing something from a truck that wasn't his! Sad but true if he wants to play big boy games then be prepared to suffer the consequences. This wasn't just taking a few grapes off the shelf (which is still wrong ) he was B/E in someones truck.

You keep mentioning how he was doing something wrong. I think we can all agree on that. No one has said that his crime was acceptable. The point is that the consequence wasn’t at all appropriate to the crime. So yes, he should have suffered the consequences - maybe some light time in juvie, a fine, court fees and probation; not death. What is there to argue about here?

[duke944]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

You keep mentioning how he was doing something wrong. I think we can all agree on that. No one has said that his crime was acceptable. The point is that the consequence wasn’t at all appropriate to the crime. So yes, he should have suffered the consequences - maybe some light time in juvie, a fine, court fees and probation; not death. What is there to argue about here?

Some blood thirsty posters here who want every thief shot on sight. We should stop arguing with them because they are off the rails and have little humanity left.

[LS Jaun]

It was a sad case. Stupid kid should have not been stealing especially armed. No way the cop could know it was a pellet gun or real. And the cop should have never shot the kid in the back
At least we don't have to hear the media saying "white cop, black victim" in the headlines

[duke944]

Originally Posted by LS Jaun

It was a sad case. Stupid kid should have not been stealing especially armed. No way the cop could know it was a pellet gun or real. And the cop should have never shot the kid in the back
At least we don't have to hear the media saying "white cop, black victim" in the headlines

Yes he was stupid, but he wasn't "armed." he had an airsoft gun - do you know what this is? it shoots plastic bbs, I doubt it would take an eye out with a direct hit. He probably found it in the van as he was rooting around, if he even ever had it at all. In the video I can't make out any gun, in that pause or otherwise. All I saw was someone bolting and getting shot at, that's it. For all we know the cop planted it on him to cover his murdering ass.

[LS Jaun]

Originally Posted by duke944

Yes he was stupid, but he wasn't "armed." he had an airsoft gun - do you know what this is? it shoots plastic bbs, I doubt it would take an eye out with a direct hit. He probably found it in the van as he was rooting around, if he even ever had it at all. In the video I can't make out any gun, in that pause or otherwise. All I saw was someone bolting and getting shot at, that's it. For all we know the cop planted it on him to cover his murdering ass.

Like I said "cop never should have shot kid in the back" thats all. As for as the cop knowing it was an airsoft gun, it would be impossible for the cop to know unless it had the orange tip. My nephews has airsoft guns that look identicle to the real thing. How was the cop supossed to know. As far as the cop planting a gun on the kid , that is pure conjecture.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by LS Jaun

Like I said "cop never should have shot kid in the back" thats all. As for as the cop knowing it was an airsoft gun, it would be impossible for the cop to know unless it had the orange tip. My nephews has airsoft guns that look identicle to the real thing. How was the cop supossed to know. As far as the cop planting a gun on the kid , that is pure conjecture.

The truck owner verified that he had an airsoft guns in the car.
https://www.abc15.com/news/region-so...ing-speaks-out

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by LS Jaun

It was a sad case. Stupid kid should have not been stealing especially armed. No way the cop could know it was a pellet gun or real. And the cop should have never shot the kid in the back
At least we don't have to hear the media saying "white cop, black victim" in the headlines

Because the officer was black is why it missed the "white cop shoots black victim" headline. But anybody who has dug deeper into this topic understands what is going on. Implicit and unconscious bias factually enters into police shootings. So it should come as no surprise that black cops shoot blacks in disproportionate levels. So you don't have to be white to take on an implicit bias. Black cops are also programmed by society. And no matter how hard I try to shake it, I too have some of that bias.

As an aggregate, blacks as well as other minorities "are where they are" for a reason. And it is because of systemic inequities that still go on today (in combination with horrific inequalities not so long ago). So being critical of police alone doesn't excuse the gross inequities of the entire criminal justice system. I'm talking about the prosecutors and judges and the prison systems (ESPECIALLY private prisons in AZ). Here is a well written link that that gives the stats to back up their point. https://www.vox.com/identities/2016/...al-disparities .

The article linked to above also had a active study that you are welcome to try. See Shooter Task -- Consent Form . Your task is to shoot the bad guy with the gun. Yep, I was trigger happy with a black man drinking a can of soda and I found myself delaying some before I shot a white armed man or women.

The reality is there are some people on this thread that have selective ignorance. They want to explain away the problems in society as a 14 year old should know better and ignore that at least that kids partial poor parenting is because of societies racism and bias. To me at least, even in 2019, society biases help cause obvious inequities. I'm part of the problem too. I'm rounded up by society and never judged as harsh because I am a white male. And since I have a buck in my pocket, it is now much easier to win the game called life. No, I'm not a "liberal" (I've never voted for a Dem... yet). I don't have "white guilt" either. But the odds are now stacked in our families favor.

So if I have a soft spot for the "thug" as some people have called the dead 14 year old, that's why. Because I have money, I made damn sure I lived in one of the safest cities and in a great neighborhood. Therefore we don't have police circling around our hood looking for problems and by definition, would reduce the kids in our neighborhood who might do something stupid from getting shot. So like always, follow the money. And like always, there is reason people "rise to the top" and it isn't exclusively because of hard work.

The bottom line is in order for police and society to reconcile, it only can begin by starting with the truth ^^. Often, the truth hurts. But more often, people don't want to admit they are part of the problem and the cycle of being selectively ignorant to get yourself off the hook begins.