Covid virus in phoenix (insurance, attorney, taxis)

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by wase4711

well, last time I checked, wearing a mask in this state was VOLUNTARY, NOT MANDATORY,; your complete lack of understanding is in the RULE OF LAW here..

When they pass a law mandating mask wear, let us all know..until then, you live your life the way YOU want to, and others will live their lives the way THEY want to..

Nowhere did anyone suggest that it is law. We were discussing stores’ policies. Stores don’t create laws.

Laws shouldn’t be needed to dictate common sense and courtesy. Most don’t want additional laws, but again, you’ve proven why restrictions must be mandated. People largely only care about themselves. This selfish mentality helps no one, not even the selfish. That’s the irony with this situation.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by wase4711

well, last time I checked, wearing a mask in this state was VOLUNTARY, NOT MANDATORY,; your complete lack of understanding is in the RULE OF LAW here..

When they pass a law mandating mask wear, let us all know..until then, you live your life the way YOU want to, and others will live their lives the way THEY want to..

Absolutely! Thankfully, this isn't Los Angeles where masks are required when going outside for anything. Phoenix's Mayor would probably require them as well, but she'd likely be met with backlash from citizens and the state government. With this said, there are some establishments that require mask wearing (certain doctors offices and salons to name two). Those who refuse to wear masks at these places are foolish because it's a violation of the business policy, and it could easily result in refusal of service & possibly being blacklisted ... even though most of the masks provide a false sense of security.

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

For sure. Read the hamster study. It helps but doesn't prevent. I'm getting some N95 masks. That should help my odds. Because you cannot count on the brainpower of the general public. All of those standardized tests that people failed during K-12 is starting to show it's ugly head. I'm concluding that >50% of the people are just plain stupid. No wonder why they need $1200 from the government to survive. Honestly, we need to let nature take its course.

Here's what I saw at a Fry's store last night: a man and woman with 3 small kids in tow were wearing flimsy homemade masks. The kids were wearing nothing. The man sneezed inside his "mask" about 6 times, and one of his lovely children was coughing with his mouth wide open. The minute I saw this, I ducked into the next aisle. This certainly isn't the first time I've witnessed something like this, which is further proof of largely the the lowest common denominator doing the most procreating.

With this alone, I'm much more likely to agree that there are a large number of stupids ... however, perhaps take a look at some your grammar before criticizing others for failing the grade school basics. BTW, the $1,200 "stimulus" was never meant for survival. It was mostly just an added perk to an already enormously expensive piece of federal legislation. When I saw the report about what some of this "survival" money was spent on, I was pretty shocked at first, but then when people get FREE checks courtesy of Uncle Sam, it's really not too hard to believe.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/stimul...tripper-poles/

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

For sure. Read the hamster study. It helps but doesn't prevent. I'm getting some N95 masks. That should help my odds. Because you cannot count on the brainpower of the general public. All of those standardized tests that people failed during K-12 is starting to show it's ugly head. I'm concluding that >50% of the people are just plain stupid. No wonder why they need $1200 from the government to survive. Honestly, we need to let nature take its course.

Just saw an actress on Twit touting the effectiveness of her crocheted mask.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

Absolutely! Thankfully, this isn't Los Angeles where masks are required when going outside for anything. Phoenix's Mayor would probably require them as well, but she'd likely be met with backlash from citizens and the state government. With this said, there are some establishments that require mask wearing (certain doctors offices and salons to name two). Those who refuse to wear masks at these places are foolish because it's a violation of the business policy, and it could easily result in refusal of service & possibly being blacklisted ... even though most of the masks provide a false sense of security.



Here's what I saw at a Fry's store last night: a man and woman with 3 small kids in tow were wearing flimsy homemade masks. The kids were wearing nothing. The man sneezed inside his "mask" about 6 times, and one of his lovely children was coughing with his mouth wide open. The minute I saw this, I ducked into the next aisle. This certainly isn't the first time I've witnessed something like this, which is further proof of largely the the lowest common denominator doing the most procreating.

With this alone, I'm much more likely to agree that there are a large number of stupids ... however, perhaps take a look at some your grammar before criticizing others for failing the grade school basics. BTW, the $1,200 "stimulus" was never meant for survival. It was mostly just an added perk to an already enormously expensive piece of federal legislation. When I saw the report about what some of this "survival" money was spent on, I was pretty shocked at first, but then when people get FREE checks courtesy of Uncle Sam, it's really not too hard to believe.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/stimul...tripper-poles/

Re: my grammar. Guilty as charged. The way I catch my errors is after a long delay. Because I re-read my flawed sentences and often miss my errors.

A hint: proof your own grammar before you decide to critique. i.e. "doctors" should be doctors', "some your grammar" should be some of your grammar, and largely the the lowest common denominator doing the most procreating" etc has a few problems including double the the. I stopped at three errors.

I always tested in the top percentile with math and science standardized tests. Even with parents who let us raise ourselves. Because of it, composition classes were never my strength.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by wase4711

well, last time i checked, wearing a mask in this state was voluntary, not mandatory,; your complete lack of understanding is in the rule of law here..

When they pass a law mandating mask wear, let us all know..until then, you live your life the way you want to, and others will live their lives the way they want to..

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

Nowhere did anyone suggest that it is law. We were discussing stores’ policies. Stores don’t create laws.

Laws shouldn’t be needed to dictate common sense and courtesy. Most don’t want additional laws, but again, you’ve proven why restrictions must be mandated. People largely only care about themselves. This selfish mentality helps no one, not even the selfish. That’s the irony with this situation.

Not so well-written, but the point is what some of us have been trying to get across. It’s simply about decency and thinking about others. The selfishness needs to end.

[john3232]

Unfortunately, many people are too self-absorbed to think about anyone but themselves. They blast their music while seated on a public park bench. They won't clean their front lawn. They don't teach their kids good manners. They blame everyone but themselves for their problems. The list goes on and on.

Now, if a store wants to mandate customers wear a mask fine but I don't think the government should be involved.

My wife and I use common sense and I don't think we'll be flying, going to a church, a sports event or concert anytime soon. But I don't think there's much of a risk catching the virus while shopping or meeting with renters. I keep my distance and don't shake hands.

Most likely next winter we'll be reading about a "second wave" but I doubt we'll experience another shutdown like the last two months regardless who wins in Nov.

[JGMotorsport64]

Today’s NYT piece on this is pretty powerful and highlights the rather selfish take that the mask wearing is for the benefit of the wearer and not the public.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage

I’m reminded of a common complaint I see about the plexi glass shields at the grocery store not protecting the customers when those covers are meant to protect the clerks.

I also think people should be mindful of the COVID related blood clots that are being found in autopsied people.

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

Today’s NYT piece on this is pretty powerful and highlights the rather selfish take that the mask wearing is for the benefit of the wearer and not the public.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage

I’m reminded of a common complaint I see about the plexi glass shields at the grocery store not protecting the customers when those covers are meant to protect the clerks.

I also think people should be mindful of the COVID related blood clots that are being found in autopsied people.

Really rich coming from the NYT (especially to highlight all the 80 and 90 year olds). You know what else kills thousands besides not wearing masks? Stuffing CV positive people back in nursing homes and never shutting down the sewer of a subway.

[john3232]

Originally Posted by Burning Madolf

Really rich coming from the NYT (especially to highlight all the 80 and 90 year olds). You know what else kills thousands besides not wearing masks? Stuffing CV positive people back in nursing homes and never shutting down the sewer of a subway.

The SFGate reported when the lock-down started in San Francisco public transportation (Muni) was allowed to operate.

What's the point of social distancing if popular routes like the #38 and #28 bus line which are often packed still run?

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by john3232

The SFGate reported when the lock-down started in San Francisco public transportation (Muni) was allowed to operate.

What's the point of social distancing if popular routes like the #38 and #28 bus line which are often packed still run?

Maybe we're looking at it the wrong way? Maybe this has been the (stealth) attempt at herd immunity all along?