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...and those are the days Ryan and the Republicans want to return us. There was a good reason my Dad used to call the "reactionaries" and the "Party for the rich."
So, what are many of the seniors doing today? They are trading in their government run Medicare plan and essentially getting a voucher, which is then paid directly to an insurance provider for a Medicare Advantage Plan, which is exactly the Ryan plan. so much for your fear mongering.
The money spent on "end-of-life" care is used, in large part, out of respect for the sanctity of life; if there's any chance that the individual may live for any appeciable amount of time, then the effort, and money will be expended.
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Is there any limit to the price we should pay for "the sanctity of life?"
LMAO. If you don't think your health is worth the cost of insurance, then why do you think I should pay for your health? Are you saying your health is only worth the cost if other people pay for it?
Try not to pay for others.
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So, what are many of the seniors doing today? They are trading in their government run Medicare plan and essentially getting a voucher, which is then paid directly to an insurance provider for a Medicare Advantage Plan, which is exactly the Ryan plan. so much for your fear mongering.
Medicare Advantage has Medicare backing. That is why it works for them. Toss the seniors into the privateers lap without any form of backing but a check which won’t keep up with the costs, and see how things go. But then, while trying to fix Medicare by killing it for good, the right wingers just may have the formula to put Social Security back on track.
Well, when it comes to the "sanctity of life", you have no respect for it, whatsoever.
Respect for the sanctity of life involves you spending your own money on your health or the health of your family. That's how you show respect... you sacrifice your possessions.
When you spend other people's money on your health care or your family's health care, that in no way displays respect for sanctity of life.
Anybody would have "respect for sanctity of life" if it only involves spending other people's money.
For decades, your employer sponsored "health insurance" only covered catastrophic care. All other care was paid for by the individual. It wasn't until the early 1960s that pregnancy and child-birth were added to employer sponsored "health insurance," and doctors office visits and other nonsense wasn't added until the early 1980s.
You paid for medical services the same way you paid for everything else back then, with cash, on an installment plan.
For example, I need a physical, and that cost $15 for the office visit plus $80 for the actual physical exam. I paid the $15 in cash, and then paid $12 to $15 per month to pay off the physical. That's how it worked. It was the same for any hospital medical procedures. You pay a little cash up front and then make payments.
It never got reported to credit reporting agencies.
The problems that exist now are all your fault, because of your own ignorance and short-sightedness, and your constant desire to get something for nothing.
When doctor's office visits were included in "health insurance," that forced the cost of office visits to increase to $25 to $35 (or higher).
Why? Again, it was your fault because of your own ignorance and short-sightedness, and your constant desire to get something for nothing.
The number of "health insurance" companies went from 11 national and 5 regional to more than 800 in just a few short years. The doctors couldn't handle the more than 800 different insurance forms, so they were forced to hire office staff to process the insurance forms. Those people have to get paid, and to pay them, the doctors had to raise the price of their office visits. Hospitals had the same problem.
Then you had the advent of the personal computer and its cheap cost and ever increasing power, and some very clever people who worked for doctors and hospitals processing the more than 800 different forms for the more than 800 different insurance companies went into business for themselves processing the "health insurance" forms in their own homes. They charged the doctors and hospitals a percentage of the amount that was billed to the patient.
Unlike your doctor and the hospitals, who were quite lenient on payments, these 3rd Party Medical Billers were not as lenient or forgiving. They wanted their money, and they wanted it now, and they didn't accept payment plans like your doctor and the hospitals did, and so when you didn't pay the full amount on time, your account got turned over to Collection Agencies.
Then the Collection Agencies realized the profit potential of 3rd Party Medical Billing and so they got into the act, both billing and collecting, and so a 3rd Party Medical Biller like NCO Medical, a Collection Agency, took over and they have no problem punching your credit report full of holes.
So, congratulations on your incredibly amazing display of ignorance, short-sightedness and infantile demands to get something for nothing.
Your post completely ignores the advances in medicine that have occured in the decades since the enactment ( especially in the treatment of cancer, and including chemo/radiation, and tumor resection ( partial or full). These advances are the reason for the explosion of medical costs, not the proliferation of insurance companies.
I should refer to your response as the "Swiss Cheese" answer, since it's so full of holes...
Respect for the sanctity of life involves you spending your own money on your health or the health of your family. That's how you show respect... you sacrifice your possessions.
When you spend other people's money on your health care or your family's health care, that in no way displays respect for sanctity of life.
Anybody would have "respect for sanctity of life" if it only involves spending other people's money.
"...that's how you show respect...you sacrifice your possessions."
I thought I would just type this statement again, and stare at it, just to see if it's just as ridiculous as I think it is..
Do you even acknowledge that the elderly who you so would so quickly condem to death so that you don't have to contribute to their lives are the same people who....
Contributed their treasure and blood to fight for the freedom you enjoy
Contributed to building the schools in which you were educated
Contributed to building the roads and bridges which you utilize
Contributed to building the hospital that serve you
Contributed to paying for the police and fire services that have kept you safe
Contributed to building the dams and utilities that provide you with energy
Have basically contributed to everything that has made your life what it has been.
But the thing is that they knew what you may never learn. You only begin to understand the meaning of life when you plant trees under which you know full well you will never sit.
By the way, my dad served in the Korean conflict, then returned to the US and became a police officer, protecting the citizens of my city every day.
Please show me ANYWHERE that I disrespected your dad.
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Your dad sounds like a union shill. Or a govt employee. My dad used to call dems "long haired hippies", "domestic terrorists" and "commies". I just call them delusional.
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