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Old 06-03-2011, 06:38 PM
 
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Insurance is a business, just like selling automobiles or any other product. If you don't want to sign the contract, then don't buy the product. Nobody is holding a gun on you.

I do know that with Medicare private companies drop you when you turn 65. Whose fault is that,...the government or the insurance company?

You obviously hate free enterprise.
Most people who support Medicare don't hate free enterprise. They just realize it's not the best solution to every problem. Which is why we have:

Police Departments

Fire Departments

Court Systems

Education Systems

The military

Other countries have decided that government supported and/or mandated healthcare is the best option for them. They manage to give their citizens healthcare at much lower cost than we do here in the United States and in many cases the quality of care is better.

Everything is not always about what makes the most money, sometimes it comes down to simply what works the best for the greatest number of people.
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Old 06-03-2011, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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But Conservatives are all about preserving the power of CORPORATIONS. That's why they are so against single payer.

There is an inherent conflict of interest in for profit health insurance. Companies primary responsibilities' are the to their investors NOT patients who buy their coverage. As long as that inherent conflict of interests is at work patients don't get the best health care and cost will continue to rise in the name of PROFITABILITY.
I think you are painting with a pretty broad brush there, but then you are a lefty and don't think that anyone who thinks different than you is so totally wrong. I am against single payer health insurance because I just don't want government control of it. Do you understand that or how I could think like that?
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Old 06-03-2011, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Most people who support Medicare don't hate free enterprise. They just realize it's not the best solution to every problem. Which is why we have:

Police Departments

Fire Departments

Court Systems

Education Systems

The military

Other countries have decided that government supported and/or mandated healthcare is the best option for them. They manage to give their citizens healthcare at much lower cost than we do here in the United States and in many cases the quality of care is better.

Everything is not always about what makes the most money, sometimes it comes down to simply what works the best for the greatest number of people.
Where do you propose the government get its money for that single payer crap you like so well? I heard a serious Democrat, Chris Van Hollen admit that our Medicare money comes from taxes. Do you suppose that is right?
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Old 06-05-2011, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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As a homeowner, I WANT that million dollar mansion. Should me neighbors be forced to contribute to a pool that enables me to buy that home, when they themselves never get to live in such a home.

It's called communism.
off topic. Healthcare is different from a McMansion
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Old 06-05-2011, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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This is funny! There's a thread going right now about how Medicare has no oversight, yet here people are complaining about too many denials! How can both be true?
exactly.Its all about agenda until a kid falls down the flight of steps and you get a six figure hospital bill in the mail, bcs Blue Cross determined the child had undiagnosed ADHD in 1990, or what ever saves corporate billions.

https://www.judicialview.com/Court-C...mpany/44/30180
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Old 06-05-2011, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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End of life care is a waste. A huge part of our problem is the exorbitant spending on people with a few months to live. Their quality of life is at zero, yet we spend billions trying to keep grandmas alive for 2 more months.

This only happens because the decision makers are spending other people's money. If it's not worth $500,000 of your money to keep your grandma alive for two or three months, why do you think it's worth spending $500,000 of other people's money to keep your grandma alive for two or three months???

Of course its worth it. It's worth it to ALL liberals. They are using someone else's money to give them thing and make THEM feel better. Life is easy, when you spend other people's money.
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Old 06-05-2011, 08:23 PM
 
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Begging for medical care | CJOnline.com

If you were among those without insurance, you either forwent care as long as you could, at a substantial risk to your life, or you asked for charity, never a pleasant task for an elderly person who has always taken pride in paying their bills. So many died from delaying care.
Yes, this would be the down side to Ron Pauls plan of letting charity make up the difference in health care. It never did, which is why we evolved in this direction to begin with. Everyone uninsured landing on the doorstep of Shriners hospital would bankrupt Shriners hospital in a day. Rather not see that happen.

Still I can't help but feel both sides of the aisle are willfully blind to the pilfering and bill padding going on at all levels. The motive is not health in healthcare once displaced by profit motives. Nationalize health care doesn't solve many of the root problems yielding a diseased system. Opening the flood gates of qualified doctors & beating down the cost of medical education might be a more pragmatic solution all around. Just an idea.
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Old 06-05-2011, 08:35 PM
 
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Sounds like this "pre-medicare" doctor already "has his living made", and won't have to endure the government, price-controlled healthcare that is coming.
When the price of healthcare has no bearing on what people can afford to pay, clearly it already is price controlled by all the wrong people. That's not medicare's doing. That's capitalism dictating a crony market they created to exploit something as basic as health care.

General practitioners are better off kicking insurance companies to the curb considering the nuisance they've made of themselves. Charging modest fees directly to the patient saves a doctors office half a staff chasing down non remit issues generated by the insurance industry. General office visits $40 or less would solve a great deal, but if they've got their heart set on 6 figures, they too are part of the problem.
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Old 06-05-2011, 09:11 PM
 
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When the price of healthcare has no bearing on what people can afford to pay, clearly it already is price controlled by all the wrong people. That's not medicare's doing. That's capitalism dictating a crony market they created to exploit something as basic as health care.

General practitioners are better off kicking insurance companies to the curb considering the nuisance they've made of themselves. Charging modest fees directly to the patient saves a doctors office half a staff chasing down non remit issues generated by the insurance industry. General office visits $40 or less would solve a great deal, but if they've got their heart set on 6 figures, they too are part of the problem.
If you think insurance companies are bad, you should have to deal with the 100,000 pages of Medicare rules. Freakin' bureaucracy is a nightmare, and the government sometimes hold physicians' reimbursement for months at a time.

Apparently you never think beyond hatred for corporate America.
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Old 06-05-2011, 09:52 PM
 
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If you think insurance companies are bad, you should have to deal with the 100,000 pages of Medicare rules. Freakin' bureaucracy is a nightmare, and the government sometimes hold physicians' reimbursement for months at a time.

Apparently you never think beyond hatred for corporate America.
You deny what a malignancy corporations have made of themselves buying politicians in lieu of earning a legit living. If they'd satisfy themselves with reaping full reward and risk unto themselves, being fully accountable for themselves IAW the market rules they claim to be a slave to, this would all be a non issue. Instead you defend a tumor at the expense of health and make a mockery of conservative principles. You deserve that fate all by yourself, but you insist we all pay for your kool aid. The answer remains no.

Medicare rules are a response to what? Profiteers of strife & capitalist hyenas holding health hostage. Apparently it's what cons call making an honest living these days. Or a killing, if you un spin the gibberish they bought into.
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