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Old 06-23-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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As a veteran, I find this line of questioning depressing. Back when I first volunteered, pay was pretty dismal when compared to the civilian sector. Why would someone volutneer to risk life and limb for a job that paid less than a civilian job? The benefits. You sacrifice everything for awhile with the promise of getting some return when you're done. It's an investment of one's time and energy.

Should vets be guaranteed a job? No. Should they get hired for jobs they are not qualified for? No. Should they get *some* preferential treatment over job candidates who did not risk their life or limbs for the nation. I think so. Raise your hand if you've gone to the Middle East more than three times in the past ten years.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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This morning on the news they mentioned a special job fair for vets only.
I believe for many public service jobs you get points added on to your test score for military service.
I think there was a time when we had the draft and young people did not have a choice but to be drafted into the military it was fair.
But does that still hold true in today’s world where we have an all voluntary army.
Absolutely, when I was hiring I would exhaust the list of eligible veterans before considering anyone else. I would hire under programs that allowed me to exclude anyone not a veteran. There are plenty of cliques out there other than Veterans, colleges, fraternities, ethnic groups, unions etc. Veterans have earned theirs
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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NO, there should be ZERO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION favoritism....not for military, not for race, not for gender
They have AFFIRMATIVE ACTION in the military, though. Vets get preference, live with it. If it has to be explained, you probably wouldn't understand anyway.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:14 AM
 
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Yes, but only for combat vets.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Most private sector employers like military experience. Many positions for public positions don't get filled as they do in the private sector and work with point systems and hence the points for vets reflect the fact the gov't does show some preference for their military experience. It's not affirmative action. If I was an employer and looking at two different individuals to fill a position, if everything else was equal but one was a veteran, I'd pick the one with military experience.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:19 AM
 
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No.
They volunteered for and were paid to be in the military.
We should also stop the practice of preferential loans to military personnel.
Man. I figured a right-wing flag waver like yourself would be all for it. Surprise, surprise.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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Why?
They put a lot of themselves into service for this country. They don't get enough benefits for that.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:21 AM
 
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This morning on the news they mentioned a special job fair for vets only.
I believe for many public service jobs you get points added on to your test score for military service.
I think there was a time when we had the draft and young people did not have a choice but to be drafted into the military it was fair.
But does that still hold true in today’s world where we have an all voluntary army.
I've always believed vets should 'get preference' in everything-- doesn't matter whether they were drafted in or volunteered, they still served.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:22 AM
 
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Yes, but only for combat vets.
The job of every vet is important. Had I played in the Army band, as I almost did, I would still consider myself a vet.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:26 AM
 
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The job of every vet is important. Had I played in the Army band, as I almost did, I would still consider myself a vet.
How is a PX clerk in the Army putting themselves at greater risk than an ex-cop, or someone teaching in an inner-city school? The vast majority of military personnel are in virtually no danger at all. We spend a lot of time lambasting domestic government workers as being overpaid, lazy F-ers, but we deify those in the military, even if they sat behind a desk and logged in supplies, like a postal worker. It makes no sense.

Moreover, as someone who volunteered for military service 15 years ago, but was turned away due to a congenital heart condition, I am annoyed whenever any veteran holds themselves out to have more "courage" than me.
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